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Originally posted by grunadulater: **Sigh, if possible, can I be a fighter pilot for the Aliens?
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I'd be more than willing to have you join the aliens, if they'll let you. They really could use some extra commanders...
Cadet: Exactly what I had in mind. BFS IV (which I will likely call something different when the time comes) will be completely based on the Rebel / Confederation war. Although BFS the original was based on that very thing, it lacked consistent players and popularity. I'm already at work on it, and making a few rules to hopefully improve gameplay and make everyone happy.
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Originally posted by Captain Skyblade: **I'd be more than willing to have you join the aliens, if they'll let you. They really could use some extra commanders...
This "BFSIV" could actually get started very quickly, because you already have all or almost all of the graphics that we would need. Looks like those Confederation and Rebellion sets are really going to pay off.
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Kyle, the moment I started playing as an alien I had planned this. I didn't even try to keep it a secret, look at all of the posts after Nick's assasination. They ALL have hints about defection in them. I did not do this because the aliens were losing, it was in motion when they were winning. Ok, I'll agree that I probably would have lost some of my fleet, so I'll take 2 heavy cruisers, 4 destroyers, and 10 heavy fighters off of my fleet roster.
What you have to realise is that in these games, one side will always lose, and they'll always be angry about it. You can either pull back and salvage what's left, or you can whine about losing and let yourself be destroyed. Your call. And concerning my defection, which would you prefer to live in: A democracy or a dictatorship? This is similar to the confed-rebel civil war. In the end, the rebels got tired of the confederate tyranny and overthrew their government. And the aliens are defined as a cruel empire, why can't the same thing happen here?
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Skyblade, I'm not blaming you for anything! Your moves were excellent and tactics sound. I was just asking you to look at my position. haha.
BariSax, if you had wanted to play for the Dreden why the hell didn't you just join them in the first place instead of giving yourself an unfair position in the heart of rebel territory. Also, would you rather live in a "democratic" society with 8 headed 30 eyed aliens who don't speak our language or in a "dictatorship" with your friends, family, and race? I just think it was pretty lame for you to join the aliens with the sole purpose of defecting. spl-cadet just pointed out that defecting was decided against in previous rules? Well well well...
Eh well, Skyblade, Jager has posted once and rebel council and saint+ are both gone! It's just me! That's a tough position wouldn't you agree? If only they came back it would be more manageable. meanwhile, I'll do my best!
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Woopdeedoo, now jager's fleet has been destroyed as well. I need fleet commanders god damn it!!!!
Gee Kyle, it's almost as if I was around for those discussions of the rules and they are in the rules on the website (which I read). It's also like Skyblade told me this beforehand in our e-mail corespondence, and it's almost like I expected RC and saint's fleets to be destroyed. Situations change, live with it. And it's not like it's the end of the entire universe as we know it if you lose a game on a webboard, which I believe you can rejoin if you die.
I didn't expect you to know the rules, because I didn't know that rule either. That's why I said spl cadet pointed it out. Gee BariSax, you had your right to switch sides, but gee BariSax, it was still lame. But anyway, who cares and we're past that and I know I have to deal with it.
Rak, you didn't let any of the aliens respond to your initial gate passing post, so I think that the one you just posted, (1 minuted before my response) should be voided.
Again, I need fleet commanders.
Kyle: Sorry to do this to you... but your post is illegal.
1- The jumpgate is invincible 2- You have a maximum range of 4 jumps 3- You can't split your fleet beyond one ajacent system 4- I posted before you, so my post reigns 5- 'nuff said
Alright, I seem to have caused a lot of confusion and anger with this, so I am recommending a course of action. The initial defection was suposed to be when aliens had an advantage, and it would even out the playing field. Since this obviously isn't the case, I am recommending these actions:
A) I will be completely removed from this game.
All of the alien ships in my fleet will be placed under the control of rebel council if he wishes, or kylethekender.
C) The dreden ships will be given back to skyblade.
Sorry to have incomvenienced your game so much, I can wait til next game to play.
Originally posted by Kylethekender545: **Rak, you didn't let any of the aliens respond to your initial gate passing post, so I think that the one you just posted, (1 minuted before my response) should be voided. **
No... I didn't have to because I bypassed that rule. I didn't engage my fleet in actual combat at all... I only engaged Carno's. He had a right to engage, not me. So therefore, I complied with the rules.
Captain Carnotaur came back, you can't command his fleet. Why is the jumpgate invincible? If Skyblade and the Dreden wanted to play "realistically", is invincibility "realistic?" And if the jumpgate is invincible, then what the hell should i do then? I'm trying to preserve my side of the galaxy so the Dreden can pound me and get satisfaction out of it. I can't be shared you know. Ugh.
BariSax, stay. I was only annoyed that you didn't start out on the dredens if you wanted to play for them so much. Frankly I don't give a damn because I'm screwed anyway and you can take part in it if you want.
Am I the only Alien commander here?
Also, Rak, that wasn't my fleet. I was issuing orders to Jager's fleet. And since I'm emperor (of who else?) I can do that!
(This message has been edited by Kylethekender545 (edited 12-30-2001).)
Originally posted by BariSaxGuy5: **Alright, I seem to have caused a lot of confusion and anger with this, so I am recommending a course of action. The initial defection was suposed to be when aliens had an advantage, and it would even out the playing field. Since this obviously isn't the case, I am recommending these actions:
Sorry to have incomvenienced your game so much, I can wait til next game to play. **
I suggest giving your entire alien fleet (minus the Dreden ships) back to Rebel Council's command, and you be a squad leader for the Dreden Rebellion. I'll give you command of all the Dreden fighters I gave to the 59th. It's not too much, but you'd be great should we fight as joint fleets... Sound good and fair? Also, if you accept this, we'll move the 59th deep into alien space for the sake of it not being squashed immediately. It needs time to react to our moves.
Kender: No hard feelings. You're doing great. Hopefully RC will be happy to see the 59th still intact and in his command. That last post of yours was excellent, but Mac's rule voids it. :frown: I find it rather dumb that the jumpgate can't be destroyed... After all, the aliens built it.
Originally posted by Kylethekender545: ** Am I the only Alien commander here? **
Depends... Did you see grunadulator's post regarding commanding an alien fleet?
Skyblade, can you please get on instant messenger before i explode because I have no idea what i'm supposed to do if i'm the only alien here with 2 human fleets charging in to my right and 4 dreden fleets below me. Damn this is screwed up. My aol sn is Kylethekender and I have you as CaptainSkyblade. Correct?
Originally posted by Kylethekender545: **Skyblade, can you please get on instant messenger before i explode because I have no idea what i'm supposed to do if i'm the only alien here with 2 human fleets charging in to my right and 4 dreden fleets below me. Damn this is screwed up. My aol sn is Kylethekender and I have you as CaptainSkyblade. Correct?
Haven't used IM i about six months... I got rid of it.
Once again, grunadulator has offered to command an alien fleet. Give him a position if you are that desperate. If Jager doesn't show up soon, contact him regarding the issue.
Ok, if that doesn't help, let's try something else while you try to get things organzied. Let's consider that the Dreden Navy is so worn out following the Battle of Verdica, they've posponed any planned attacks for an entire topic page. During this time, we're preparing to resume our offensive to deliever the final blow. You can form defense measures / preparations during this period, and make a hurried attempt to find additional commanders.
(This message has been edited by Captain Skyblade (edited 12-30-2001).)
grunadulator, go to mac's homepage for battle for sol and read all about it. Then make yourself a fleet of alien ships that cost a total of 600 million credits and put yourself in the Deus system.
Rebel council isn't even here, eh, I'm screwEHD. Bloody hell jumpgate, why can't i destroy it so it doesn't become even more impossible?
e-mail me at kylethekender@hotmail.com anyone...and where's rebel council?
Originally posted by Kylethekender545: Captain Carnotaur came back, you can't command his fleet.
He hasn't been on for a while...I am the c-in-c of the eastern theatre...I am his commander...I am fleet admiral, he his admiral...our fleets fused to form the 16th CBG
Originally posted by Kylethekender545: Why is the jumpgate invincible?
Because Mac said so
Originally posted by Kylethekender545: **Also, Rak, that wasn't my fleet. I was issuing orders to Jager's fleet. And since I'm emperor (of who else?) I can do that!:) **
Ah! Sorry, my mistake. :frown:
But the post isn't valid. Maybe you should redo the post factoring Carno's arrival, Kyles losses, and that you cannot destroy the jumpgate?
Originally posted by General Rak: **Ah! Sorry, my mistake.:frown:
Don't worry. I've already voided it due to webstory rules.
Very clever plan, Kyle, but you'll have to pull something else. Take advantage of what you have... If I remember correctly, there are asteroids about in the system. I can think of plenty of ways to add those to my advantage.