Battle for Sol - Episode II: Discussion

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This topic is being created for the purpose of any comments or questions about Battle for Sol II which do not advance the plot of the original thread. New players should still register at the players needed topic. Any questions about the rules, disputes about player actions or calls by thread moderators, etc. should all go here. Rule overview reproduced below for convenience.

  • Ships cannot move farther than there fuel rating with each post. Generally, your fleet can only go as far as the slowest ship in it. If you really want to, though, slower ships can be left behind.

  • When two fleets engage in battle, the battle will be left to the thread moderatorss to adjudicate which they will try to do fairly. We can't roll dice or run simulations on the enigine, so this will be a "best guess" type of thing.

  • Fleet Commanders must obey orders from their presidents and higher ranked fleet commanders, if your fleet has been attached to another commander as part of a task force.

  • New ships can be purchased with the governments money every 3 topic pages. (page 1, 4, 7, etc.)

  • Money is made every 3 topic pages also, in the amount or 5 million credits per world controlled by that government.

  • The Alien's fleets first attacks will be by surprise, until then, their whereabouts are unknown.

  • There are 66 Alien systems to be discovered, in a galaxy far, far away...

  • Each government may invent one ship and one weapon per topic page. Keep these realistic.

I think that's about it, if you have any additions Skyblade, let me know.

Thread moderators: Captain Skyblade, Macavenger

So, players, fire away with any questions or comments.

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Almost doesn't count, but barely does.
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- Jeff Foxworthy

(This message has been edited by Macavenger (edited 08-02-2001).)

can we sell ships and buy them right now in the story?

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I bet there darn tasty to.

(Testing new sig...)

Skyblade, I also changed my location a while back. I'm sure you can figure it out. It might be helpful if some of the members who are playing could do something similar,though I don't know if anyone else will want to.

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Originally posted by grunadulater:
**can we sell ships and buy them right now in the story?
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My opinion is no, but with no specific rule or precedent, I'm going to let Skyblade handle this, as I told General Rak on the old discussion thread.

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- Macavenger | e-mail: (url="http://"mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com")mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com(/url)e-gamerguy1@home.com

Nice work, Skyblade. Its a cool rendition of the Rapier. I may have another ship soon, so be on your toes.

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People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones.

whats your aim sattomax?you to kk.

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I bet there darn tasty to.

(This message has been edited by grunadulater (edited 08-02-2001).)

Mine is Asriel29.

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Apparently, my X-Rapiers are kicking HC warship @$$ right about now.

I have a request: Please reduce the SuperKestrel price to 9 million credits, and the Kestrel to 5 million. A HC Supercruiser cannot possibly cost the same as a SuperKestrel, as it is about twice as good (or so). Also please reduce the Corvette's price by 3 or 4 hundred thousand credits. The Pirate ships are far too expensive compared to other factions.

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Apparently, my X-Rapiers are kicking HC warship @$$ right about now.

Nice job on the location Sattomax. I'm not thinking of location changes as mandatory in any way, but it could be helpful, especially to those who have problems with the map, hopefully they can remember about where stuff is.

Just checked the map for blurriness at the bottom, and didn't see any. That could be a sign that it didn't finish loading, you could try refreshing it.

For the 2 ships on one page, when you didn't the last page: Actually, I had the same question...
I'm not being very helpful with the rules today, am I? Too much new stuff... hope Skyblade comes back soon.

Also, Sattomax, you may want to edit the previous posts about "researching" the X-Rapier, since it's basically been done since the first time you posted about it.

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- Macavenger | e-mail: (url="http://"mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com")mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com(/url)e-gamerguy1@home.com

grunadulater - feel free to jump again now, either to a system already on the map or a new one, though you'll have to give it's approximate direction. I can't update the map until Skyblade sends me a new one, which I would expect soon.

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- Macavenger | e-mail: (url="http://"mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com")mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com(/url)e-gamerguy1@home.com

Hey, Sattomax, I like the X-Rapier! Nice job!

Guys, this story is really getting me juiced for EVN. That'll be so cool!

- KK

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“You will find that we will be either the most loyal and trustworthy of allies, or ... if you insist on trying to swallow us up -- the worst of enemies. The choice is yours. And should you choose to fight us ... don’t bring a knife to a gunfight!!!”

Hey!
To whoever's Alien shipbuilder:
When or if the Alien Empire builds any new ship designs,I have some graphics I've been fooling around with.
Whoever the shipbuilder is,they can mail me at:
nicholas@netaccess.co.nz
to see 'em.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
**(Testing new sig...)

Skyblade, I also changed my location a while back. I'm sure you can figure it out. It might be helpful if some of the members who are playing could do something similar,though I don't know if anyone else will want to.

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Do you mean allow the aliens to change their "current" location? Certainly. Giving you first attack advantage basically means you can select any location you want.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
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My opinion is no, but with no specific rule or precedent, I'm going to let Skyblade handle this, as I told General Rak on the old discussion thread.

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Hmmm...I would prefer that players not be allowed to sell ships. The story is complicated as it is, so adding such a feature wouldn't help us out any.

Speaking of complexity, episode III will show the entire map instead of allow players to explore. I'm also considering not actually showing ship fleets on the map since I don't have the time to update the map so often.

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-Cap'n Skyblade
-Battle for Sol - Episode II: The Unfinished War-
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Originally posted by Shade:
**Hey!
To whoever's Alien shipbuilder:
When or if the Alien Empire builds any new ship designs,I have some graphics I've been fooling around with.
Whoever the shipbuilder is,they can mail me at:
nicholas@netaccess.co.nz
to see 'em.

**

Clueless is the alien shipbuilder, and I'm sure he's doing an excellent job judging from his previous work. I believe the alien shipbuilding industy is in pretty good shape I believe...

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-Cap'n Skyblade
-Battle for Sol - Episode II: The Unfinished War-
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Originally posted by Kaptain Karl:
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Guys, this story is really getting me juiced for EVN. That'll be so cool!

- KK

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Is it? Very interesting...I take that as a big comment. 🙂

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Originally posted by Sattomax:
**Nice work, Skyblade. Its a cool rendition of the Rapier. I may have another ship soon, so be on your toes.

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Roger that. Just tell me your general plans for your next ship, and I'll screw up yet another EV graphic. 😉

As for the X-Rapier, glad you like it.

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-Cap'n Skyblade
-Battle for Sol - Episode II: The Unfinished War-
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Originally posted by Macavenger:
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For the 2 ships on one page, when you didn't the last page: Actually, I had the same question...
I'm not being very helpful with the rules today, am I? Too much new stuff... hope Skyblade comes back soon.

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If you miss out designing a new ship or weapon on one page, you cannot build extra weapons to make up for the time lost. It's the player's (or weapon's developer to be more specific) responsibility to make sure they design as many weapons as rules will allow. If he misses a page, well...too bad. 😉

But, if you are referring to actually missing a turn for building new ships, you simply add the money to your account, that way you'll have double the amount of credits to purchase ships when the next time comes.

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-Cap'n Skyblade
-Battle for Sol - Episode II: The Unfinished War-
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(url="http://"http://members.home.net/e-gamerguy1/ev/bfs2/human/HumanConfederationShipyard.html")Human Confederacy Shipyard(/url) | (url="http://"http://members.home.net/e-gamerguy1/ev/bfs2/pirate/PirateShipyard.html")Pirate Shipyard(/url) | (url="http://"http://members.home.net/e-gamerguy1/ev/bfs2/alien/AlienShipyard.html")Alien Empire Shipyard(/url)

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Originally posted by Captain Skyblade:
...I'm also considering not actually showing ship fleets on the map since I don't have the time to update the map so often.

The issue of timing the map updates is part of the benefit of real-time (EVN) response. That said, I request that somebody try to keep the map updated at least every other posting day. It will help keep confusion to a minimum ... I think.

If my pirate commander thinks (and is posting that) he is attacking (say) UE General's fleet while UE General believes he has jumped to a completely different system, it could really screw up the story.

That's my "two cents."

- KK

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“You will find that we will be either the most loyal and trustworthy of allies, or ... if you insist on trying to swallow us up -- the worst of enemies. The choice is yours. And should you choose to fight us ... don’t bring a knife to a gunfight!!!”

Kap'n Karl- I will continue to keep this map updated, I'm just saying that by the time episode III comes around, I'll be deep in my high school studies, and won't have time to update the map.

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-Cap'n Skyblade
-Battle for Sol - Episode II: The Unfinished War-
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Originally posted by Shade:
Hey!
To whoever's Alien shipbuilder:
When or if the Alien Empire builds any new ship designs,I have some graphics I've been fooling around with. Whoever the shipbuilder is,they can mail me at:
nicholas@netaccess.co.nz
to see 'em.

Nice offer, Shade, but I'm doing the graphics myself (I only got some texturing problems, Skyblade, please send me the texture you used for your alien ships).

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Originally posted by Clueless:
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Originally posted by Shade:
Hey!
To whoever's Alien shipbuilder:
When or if the Alien Empire builds any new ship designs,I have some graphics I've been fooling around with. Whoever the shipbuilder is,they can mail me at:
nicholas@netaccess.co.nz
to see 'em.

Nice offer, Shade, but I'm doing the graphics myself (I only got some texturing problems, Skyblade, please send me the texture you used for your alien ships).

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I sent the textures to Mac, since I lost your e-mail address (got deleted somehow). Mac should be able to send you the textures within the day. Sorry its taken so long...

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-Cap'n Skyblade
-Battle for Sol - Episode II: The Unfinished War-
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