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1: Once battles begin in Ares, they spread out rapidly (especially when fighters with speed such as the Azdara are involved). In that second screenshot you can't see half of the battle, so there are many more ships involved than the single visible Zidara. Besides, the player is permitted to buy Zidagar Fighters directly - he doesn't have to buy Zidaras to get extra fighters.
2: Yeah, my mistake. It's suppost to say Azdara vs. Zidagar Fighter. That small explosian is the blast remains of another Azdara. It was unfortunately butchered by the Zidagar Fighter's beamer.
3: The Azdaras are about the size we want them to be. One thing I never liked about Override was that it failed to give any visible scale between fighters and warships. That won't be a problem in AO - the Igazra uses 250x250 frames, and 300x300 for the Dreadnought. There will be an obvious difference between small attack craft and warships.
4: Indeed, that screenshot turned out very well. That was one of the bigger battles Raga and I performed, and the Zidagar ended up winning after spending a good deal of time killing Azdaras. We also tested two Zidaras and two Azdgari Warships against each other (including fighters), and the Azdgari actually won. We've managed to give these two races a good, equal balance.
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Originally posted by Kyle Katarn: **Besides, the player is permitted to buy Zidagar Fighters directly - he doesn't have to buy Zidaras to get extra fighters.
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You can buy Zidagar Fighters without Zidaras? Cool! The second best fighter in the game. I might make a lot of them. Cleared, but but why do you smile at a mistake? Also, was the butchering a mistake? Zidaras could actually win Azdaras? I cant believe that! I thought Zidaras always miserably explode when they are attacked by 6 Azdaras. "Actually"? Do you mean you think Zidagar is more powerful with their beams and reasonable shields?
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Originally posted by General Cade Smart: **You can buy Zidagar Fighters without Zidaras? Cool! The second best fighter in the game. I might make a lot of them. Cleared, but but why do you smile at a mistake? Also, was the butchering a mistake? Zidaras could actually win Azdaras? I cant believe that! I thought Zidaras always miserably explode when they are attacked by 6 Azdaras. "Actually"? Do you mean you think Zidagar is more powerful with their beams and reasonable shields?
Yes, you can buy each ship individually (such as the Vonian Intercepter) or buy a ship that carriers it (the Dreadnought) and get them that way. 6 Azdaras would be a pretty good fight against a computer controled Zidara with fighters, but a human controled Zidara will win. Yes, with equal numbers the Zidagar are more powerful with their beams and reasonable shields.
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Yes, you can purchase any standard government fighter in the game directly. This is especially fun for folks who enjoy big dogfights (which Raga and I found out with UE fighters and Voinian Interceptors).
I smile at a mistake because it's all too common for me. Trust me, I'm just as human as you are.
Yes, Zidaras can defeat swarms of Azdaras if they fight together and have some of their own fighter support. The phazed beamer can shred small, incoming targets. In fact, the phazed beamer almost gave the Zidagar too much of an advantage. It is for this reason that we gave the weapon an ammo count of 200. Each burst lasting around half a second uses 1 unit of ammo, and you can go through it all rapidly if you aren't very careful at conserving it. Fortunately, the ammo load also recharges fairly rapidly.
And yes, I do think the Zidagar are more powerful than the Azdgari. I still prefer Azdgari for the Azdara, however.
And keep in mind that this project has only been in existence for about two weeks - we have plenty of testing and fixing to do in the near future. We haven't even completed alpha yet...
Originally posted by Kyle Katarn: Yes, Zidaras can defeat swarms of Azdaras if they fight together and have some of their own fighter support. The phazed beamer can shred small, incoming targets. In fact, the phazed beamer almost gave the Zidagar too much of an advantage. It is for this reason that we gave the weapon an ammo count of 200. Each burst lasting around half a second uses 1 unit of ammo, and you can go through it all rapidly if you aren't very careful at conserving it. Fortunately, the ammo load also recharges fairly rapidly. (/B)
Nah, I would say that each quick tap of the fire key for the beam uses 1 unit, holding down will give you maybe 3 at most 5 seconds of beam fire. When it is out of ammo it will fire maybe once a second as a new unit of ammo is regenerated.
Originally posted by Kyle Katarn: **This is especially fun for folks who enjoy big dogfights (which Raga and I found out with UE fighters and Voinian Interceptors).
You do dogfights? :raise eyebrows: UE Fighters and Interceptors. Probably we two could do a dogfight too when its released. I will be in Azdara, and you will be in a Crescent Fighter. Massed Zidaras... Heh, they can beat Igazras too. Phased Beam too powerful? No way! I thought it would drain fuel too fast to be practical. The ammo load recharges fast? Yay! Yes, they are more powerful. Dispersals, turrets, beams, and fighters take care of that. The Azdara is the only fighter I ever have flown. But the Zidagar Fighter is second best. Yes, I know that it in alpha :frown:.
Will the Zachit be included? Maybe as even competition for the North Tip Renegades (a little higher cost for improved weapons). As I remeber there were only three ships the Zachit Fighter, Zachit Arada, and the Miranu Gunship. I wonder, would a massive swarm of Z. Aradas and Fighters be able to take out a V. Dreadnought?
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Originally posted by ProtoformX: **Will the Zachit be included? Maybe as even competition for the North Tip Renegades (a little higher cost for improved weapons). As I remeber there were only three ships the Zachit Fighter, Zachit Arada, and the Miranu Gunship. I wonder, would a massive swarm of Z. Aradas and Fighters be able to take out a V. Dreadnought?
Yes, the I do believe we'll add the Zachit and Miranu eventually, possibly as one race (i.e., including the Miranu Gunship and Crescent Figher with the Zachit ships).
And chances are the Dreadnought would shred Zachit attack craft. Its large numbers of fighters, rapid rate of neutron fire and savlo rocket turret make short work of even larger warships.
Well it depends on what you mean by a massive swarm. Eight cresent warships can kill a Dreadnought if they attack at the same time but you'll lose around six of the warships and all the fighters the warships launch. The Dreadnought is not invincible and never was, but if used in a fleet it can be very devestating.
Originally posted by General Cade Smart: **You do dogfights? :raise eyebrows: UE Fighters and Interceptors. Probably we two could do a dogfight too when its released. I will be in Azdara, and you will be in a Crescent Fighter.:D Massed Zidaras... Heh, they can beat Igazras too. Phased Beam too powerful? No way! I thought it would drain fuel too fast to be practical. The ammo load recharges fast? Yay! Yes, they are more powerful. Dispersals, turrets, beams, and fighters take care of that. The Azdara is the only fighter I ever have flown. But the Zidagar Fighter is second best. Yes, I know that it in alpha :frown:.
Fighting a Crescent Fighter in an Azdara would be quite difficult for a human, if it was me I would leave my Azdara for the computer to control...
From the testing I've done so far I would say the a Zidagar Fighter probably beats out the Azdara for the spot of best fighter, although it only wins that spot by a small margin...
It looks really neat. The graphics will be great with a little more rendering and touch ups already mentioned.
Dang now I really have no reason not to buy the game :frown:.
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Originally posted by Gordontron: **It looks really neat. The graphics will be great with a little more rendering and touch ups already mentioned.
Thanks. Just wanted to make sure you've seen the final graphics and not just the ones at the start of this topic. If not they are mainly (url="http://"http://forums.evula.com/viewtopic.php?p=12977") Here (/url)
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Sweet lordie Jesus! this looks great! I have a reason to register Ares, now!
Now, pause a moment whilst I procure an appropriate smiley...
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Originally posted by ESPilot: **Sweet lordie Jesus! this looks great! I have a reason to register Ares, now!
ARGH! That multiple jumping big grins hurts my eyes!
/bows low and gives Ragashingo / MadFax7 a slap on the back for doing most of the work.
Originally posted by Ragashingo: And by the way, Who is George Shrub?
What is another name for a shrub? A bush.
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Originally posted by Pooty Applewater: **What is another name for a shrub? A bush.
Bah, get a real sig...
Oh! But wait! My copy of Ares is already registered! Oh, frabjous day, calloo-callay!
Erm...anyway...I just have one question: Will there be an equivelant of Flak Drones, and thus engineering pods?
Originally posted by ESPilot: **Oh! But wait! My copy of Ares is already registered! Oh, frabjous day, calloo-callay! **
Originally posted by ESPilot: **Erm...anyway...I just have one question: Will there be an equivelant of Flak Drones, and thus engineering pods? **
Most likely. For the moment we're just messing with ideas for battlestations (which will also use the original Override models). Flak will probably come into the picture sooner or later.
Originally posted by Kyle Katarn: **Most likely. For the moment we're just messing with ideas for battlestations (which will also use the original Override models). Flak will probably come into the picture sooner or later.
Whats battlestations, a Ares feature? And why are you sticking out your tongue at ESPilot enjoying his registration of Ares?