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This is probably a stupid poll, but I figured I'd do it anyway.
How would EV do in a fight against... Star Wars? Star Trek? Babylon 5? Farscape? What other ones am I missing?
Vs. Star Wars, I think it would be pretty even. Win against Trek. Seem to be a lot more total ships in EV. Err... With the shadows, I'm not really sure. Farscape, I think it would be a win, Farscape seems to go for a long time without seeing a strong ship.
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Originally posted by Insano: Win against Trek. Seem to be a lot more total ships in EV.
But then again, Star Trek ships are sometimes more powerful, and it has numerous plot devices at its disposal.
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Exactly how many EV ships are we talking about? All of the ones that exist in the game's galaxy?
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Originally posted by Insano: **This is probably a stupid poll, but I figured I'd do it anyway.
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Oh my God, I'm trapped on a board filled with sci-fi geeks!
I should fit in fine here.
I don't watch a few of those, but I know the EV ships would slaughter the star wars ships in mere seconds. Star Trek probably would lose, too.
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Let's just say all the ships in that galaxy came and invaded the EV galaxy.
Have you ever heard of the Eclipse from Star Wars?
Star Wars would kick the crap out of EV. All the capital ships have way more turrets. EV wouldn't win solely by it's better ranged weaponry. Besides that, four words: Victory-class Star Destroyer. probably better suited than the larger and better known Imperial-class Star Destroyer to fighting in an EV universe, and is easier to build in quantity. Star Trek would most likely win too, EV doesn't have enough beams to counter phasers, and Photon Torpedoes are at least as powerful as EV Torps, with way better speed and probably similar range.
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As Mac said, Star Wars would kill Escape Velocity. But even then, Escape Velocity would make a big hit with the good storyline and popularity it has gained as a game simulator.
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Originally posted by ares1: **I know the EV ships would slaughter the star wars ships in mere seconds.
Well, sure, but Star Wars was more realistic. And the EV ships have too much armor and firepower to considered real. But if we're talking about what is and not what should be , then EV, definately.
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Originally posted by Rawzer: **Well, sure, but Star Wars was more realistic. And the EV ships have too much armor and firepower to considered real. But if we're talking about what is and not what should be , then EV, definately. **
With what is , Star Wars still beats the sh*t out of EV hands down. Come on. A VSD is three times longer than the biggest EV ship, has 60 turrets and 80 Missile Batteries, plus 24 TIEs. Nothing EV has can compete with that. Even "small" Star Wars ships like Nebulon-Bs are larger than a Rebel Cruiser, with many more turrets and fighters. Of course, Lightnings are superior to TIEs and maybe even X-Wings, but they just don't come in that many numbers.
This is to say nothing of an ISD with 120 turrets and 72 TIEs, or an SSD with 1000+ weapons batteries (including missiles) and 144 TIEs...
Originally posted by Macavenger: **With what is , Star Wars still beats the sh*t out of EV hands down. Come on. A VSD is three times longer than the biggest EV ship, has 60 turrets and 80 Missile Batteries, plus 24 TIEs. Nothing EV has can compete with that. Even "small" Star Wars ships like Nebulon-Bs are larger than a Rebel Cruiser, with many more turrets and fighters. Of course, Lightnings are superior to TIEs and maybe even X-Wings, but they just don't come in that many numbers.
Hrm, I guess I didn't think of that. I was thinking apout how EV ships can take numerous hits without any systems shutting down. But, you're right, Star Wars wins in plots, ships, outfits, and characters, hands down. Oh, by the way, what does the "V" mean in VSD?
the V stands for "Victory" as in Victory class Star Destroyer. Then came the Imperial class Star Destroyer, and the Imperial class II Star Destroyer was used in the battle of Endor I believe, anyway...
At the time of the battle of Endor it was estimated that there were more than 10,000 Star destroyers. The rebel fleet was much much smaller.
Anyway, to compare the X-Wing to the lightning, in a dog fight the lightning would probably win, however the X-Wing has 12? proton torpedoes which when you get a full squadron of X-Wings all firing at once against a capital class ship can do a ton of damage. X-Wings might better be compared to rapiers, but there just aren't that many rapiers about in the EV universe.
In Star Wars, star destroyers can disintigrate asteroids in one shot, try destroying asteroids in regular EV and EVO, (you can in EV but only in earlier versions and you need a hugely powered weapon).
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Well, when I was younger I wrote a story that brought the EV and Star Wars worlds together...if I remember correctly, the Star Destroyers slaughtered the Rebel ships (it was Rebels & Rebel Alliance vs. Confeds & Empire), although the Mon Calamari were quite effective against Confed ships. As far as fighters went, however, the tracking devices in EV missiles are vastly superior, and their lasers have a phenomenal repeat rate (although Star Wars lasers were more rapid-fire in the movie than in the games). In the middle range, I'd say the Nebulon-B frigate could put up a good fight, but remember that these SW ships pretty much relied on gun batteries.
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W-Wings carry 6 torpedoes, Chamrin. Still enough to seriously hurt an ISD if you get a whole squadron together.
While it is true that Star Wars ships rely a lot on their gun batteries, those same batteries are also much longer range than EV batteries. Fighter cannons are short range, but capital ship weapons have nearly the range of a Missile or Torpedo. So range becomes much less of an issue.
A better comparison might be A-Wing against Lightning, since the A-Wing was designed to fight enemy fighters, and has 12 Concussion Missiles for it. I still think the Lightning is probably a bit better, but an A-Wing is probably superior to the Manta, EV's second best (and one of its most common) dogfighter.
Of course, we all have to remember that this all depends on our interpretations of the technologies in each of these sci-fi scenarios. It's just that we would probably equate EV lasers with SW lasers, but think of ST phasers and disruptors as far more powerful.
Macavenger, I see your point about those fighters, but EV's AI doesn't like to recognize that, so the Mantas would probably disappear into the Star Destroyers batteries in no time.
But you're quite right. I'm not sure about the range, since it's up to interpretation, but I'll take your word for it.
I'd have to wonder about how a Rapier squadron would do against ISDs, though. Or 6 full squadrons of TIE-fighters against a couple of Mantas. Or a Confed Cruiser and support/escort fleet against a Mon Calamari.
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Superiority Fighter -- TIE Fighter/TIE Interceptor/TIE Advanced/A-Wing/X-Wing vs. Manta/Patrol Ship/Lightning/Defender
The Lightning would probably be able to destroy all of these fighters with either manueverability or weapons. The defender may be able to destroy the TIE fighter because of its speed advantage. The manta would be easily destroyed by any of these fighters. The patrol ship could ~maybe~ destroy a TIE fighter using missiles + guns.
Strike Fighters -- TIE Bomber/B-Wing/Y-Wing vs. Rapier/Gunboat
The B-Wing easily owns this category. With its great manueverability, heavy weapons load, and advance avionics it can really pack a punch against any capital ship. The Y-Wing is slow but fairly well armed, easy prey for a Tactical Fighter. The TIE bomber packs the most lethal punch of all, but is very slow and weak. The rapier is a B-Wing with a serious crimp. The gunboat just sucks.
Light Capital Ships -- KDY Victory Star Destroyer/Nebula B frigate vs. Corvette/Kestrel
The VSD would easily own this category. It has massive batteries of heavy turrets, is heavily armoured, and is quite manueverable. The NB would also have a great anti-fighter capacity. The corvette provides a powerful punch against heavy fighters. The kestrel is a mobile platform, but way over priced.
Heavy Capital Ships -- KDY Imperial Star Destroyer II/KDY Executer Command Ship/Mon Calimary Cruiser vs. Rebel Destroyer/Confed Frigate/Confed Cruiser/Rebel Cruiser/Alien Cruiser
The ISD would provide an extremely powerful base of operations against any task force of any size. The Executer could easily take on an entire fleet of alien cruisers. The Mon Calimary could kill anything very efficiently. The EV ships are thouroughly defeated in this category.
Battleships -- Death Star/Death Star II
For lack of a ship to contest these behemouths, the DSII would be invincible to any attack.
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General Rak, you have way too much time on your hands. Star Wars vs EV: I would say that EV wins. Why? Well, Alien warships tend to kick ass but if we ignore them EV still wins. Simply put their projectile weapons are far more powerful and better. And a Rebel destroyer with a squadron of Manta's would be able to take on and destroy a VSD rather easily. A single missile would dispatch any fighters or bombers, and the destroyer can launch a large barrage, initially targeting the vulnerable shield generators and then once the shields are done targeting critical systems. As for the death stars, a few lightnings or rapiers should do the trick. Star Treks EV. Don''t make me laugh. Star Trek has no capability to defend against fighters. A squadron of lightnings would easily take out the Enterprise or any other vessel (except possibly the borg). Babylon 5 vs EV. The Vorlons, Shadow, other first ones, and Minbari would hold their own and win but everyone else would succumb. For starters, EV has shields. Starfuries and Thunderbirds seriously outmatch any EV fighters though. Farscape vs EV. Farscape doesn't have too many ship weapons. Therefore, EV wins. Any others? Well, Macross/Robotech would win hands down. Valkyries and Zentreadi warships would kick ass. Heck, Zentreadi warships would kick the Super Star Destroyers ass. And I'm not including the Macross cannon in that.
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spl_cadet, no insults please.
I don't think you realize just how powerful Star Wars is, a victory class star destroyer is .8 km long, its entire surface is covered with laser batteries. It contains numerous tie squadrons, and numerous missle batteries.
The Imperial Star Destroyer contains 36 Ties, 24 interceptors, and 12 bombers I believe, and is twice as long with many more laser batteries.
The Carrack class cruiser is more the level of the confed cruiser, and still can do a lot of damage to it, its got speed, and 6 ties, however the carrack class cruiser doesn't stand a chance against any Star Destroyers, but they are very good against fighters.
The Calimari cruiser has multiple back up shield batteries to start with, it contains I think 6 squadrons of fighters, usually 3 squadrons of X-Wings, 2 squadrons of A-wings and 1 B wing squadron.
As for projectile weapons, A wings and Tie interceptors are both fast enough to outrun regular missles, and easily outrun torpedoes. One of the emperor's super weapons was a station that launched a projectile weapon that entered hyperspace and traveled to its target, and dropped out at the last second destroying the entire planet. And EV really doesn't have all that many planets... nor ships. Where there are easily a million worlds in Star Wars. The Empire has a about three to five dozen or so destroyers in an average sector group fleet and well the empire controls thousands of sectors. Each sector containing a hundred to a few thousand worlds.
EV just can't beat the numbers, Tie fighters are very cheap to produce, Star Wars has an immense population to draw upon, since you are throwing the aliens in with EV, that would mean everything in EV teaming up against Star Wars, so then everything in Star Wars gets to team up against EV, both the empire and the Alliance, Dark Jedi and light Jedi, the svi-ruuk (sp?) and all the smugglers/pirates/hutts and other disreputable people. The population itself is what 10^15 people. It's quite a lot :).
Oh yeah, going back to the alien threat, remember how easy it is to kill an alien cruiser with a tractor beam, now remember that most capital class ships have tractor beams in Star Wars, Star Destroyers have 8, and massive fire power to easily blow the alien cruisers up real quickly, so that theat is null.
The Nebulon B frigate is being overrated, it isn't that good.
Star Trek is a hard match for Star Wars, if you include all the other races and species, but alone the federation doesn't have that many combat ships, so it is a little weak there. However it still stands a good chance against EV, Star Trek's ships have a good ability to find weaknesses in enemy's which they then exploit, also the transporters are very usefull for taking over ships before they go critical.
Anyway, have fun, but no insulting people
First, some errors came up in the SW assessment that need correcting.
First, this isn't exactly an error, but Rak, I disagree with your assessment of the Manta. A Manta, with it's Missile, could beat any of the TIEs. One Missile and a TIE is toast. When facing a shielded A-Wing or X-Wing, however, it will likely be a goner.
The B-Wing is actually more heavil armed in most cases than a TIE Bomber. The B-Wing has 3 Lasers, 3 Ions, and can carry up to 20 torpedos at a cost of some manuverability. TIE Bombers only have 2 Lasers and generally closer to 8-12 Torpedoes/Missiles.
Stock VSDs are actually more sluggish than stock ISDs, because they use older engines. But they would still clean up that category by sheer firepower.
spl, first, I don't think Rak has too much time, I could easily have put together a comparison like that myself in 10 minutes had it occurred to me. But that's beside the point.
EV projectile weapons may be slightly better, but they just can't compete with the sheer numbers. Remember a VSD has 80 Missile batteries. Also, it's turrets are long range, it can be firing with 60 Turbolaser batteries (IMO probably more powerful than Proton Turrets to begin with) when the Rebel Destroyer gets into Missile Range, most likely. Remember that it carries an 18:1 length advantage over the Destroyer. The Destroyer quite simply lacks the Firepower to destroy something that big. OTOH, a Confed Cruiser is only 5 times longer than a Rebel Destroyer. Your Destroyer and Manta Squadron would get annihilated by a Vic.
Death Stars might be destroyed by Lightnings or Rapiers, true, but there were only ever two of them, and never were very effective. Also, if the Death Star II were completed, it would be flat invincible to anything EV or Star Wars could throw at it.
Against Star Trek, a Squadron of Lightnings would be toast against the Enterprise. Remeber that with Phasers, you're dealing with beams, and much more powerful beams than Lasers at that. Starfleet shields are virtually invulnerable to Laser fire. Further, Star Trek targeting systems are much more advanced, so about the time the Lightnings get in Missile range (Missiles clearly being less damaging than Photon Torpedoes, I might add, which I can prove), they'd get skewered by undodgeable(sp? or new word?) phaser beams and quickly annihilated. Overall, EV capital ships might have some chance against Star Trek, but I think Star Trek could win.
Chamrin, a couple of points for you too. Vics are .9km, not .8. Also, a Carrack would kill a COnfed Cruiser because it has far more batteries. Too, Nebulon Bs are more powerful than you give them credit fo. Because they carry fighters, they're better than Carracks, though they don't have quite so many guns.
Mon Cals carry 4 or 8 squadrons, usually.
ISDs have 10 Tractor Beams.
Alright, I think that's it, I'll let you all go now.
Originally posted by Macavenger: Against Star Trek, a Squadron of Lightnings would be toast against the Enterprise. Remeber that with Phasers, you're dealing with beams, and much more powerful beams than Lasers at that. Starfleet shields are virtually invulnerable to Laser fire. Further, Star Trek targeting systems are much more advanced, so about the time the Lightnings get in Missile range (Missiles clearly being less damaging than Photon Torpedoes, I might add, which I can prove), they'd get skewered by undodgeable(sp? or new word?) phaser beams and quickly annihilated. Overall, EV capital ships might have some chance against Star Trek, but I think Star Trek could win.
Furthermore, Star Trek is far more than just the Federation. Once you throw in the Borg armada, Species 8472, all the other super-powerful nasties, and the writers' ability to get out of almost any bad situation, EV is simply not going to be able to take the pressure.
I don't think that this is really an arguement that can be proven one way or another. We do not know how big the EV ships even are. Or how strong their sheilds are. All we have are numbers in ResEdit, and those mean nothing to anything but the game engine. Star Trek/Wars ships cannot be compared to EV ships, because they exist in different universes. You could say that a single laser bolt from EV is as strong as a photon torpedo, but the sheilds on EV ships are way stronger, or that a photon torpedo is 50x stronger than anything in EV, and the Star Trek ships are stronger. There is no consistant unit for measurement and comparison of the different technologies.
Perhaps we should ask mburch.