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Based on the comments of numerous people on the EV board, it appears that most of the regular posters here like EV quite a bit more than EVO. Without starting a war between supporters of EV and supporters of EVO, I would like to know why you like EV more. Please be specific, e.g. don't say that EV has a better storyline without saying what elements of the EV storyline you like better.
I will be starting a similar topic for people who like EVO more on the EVO board.
Thanks in advance for sharing your opinions.
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Well for me personally, (and another poster is the one who gave form to my thoughts) its the fact that you can't support one government across the universe. No weaponry are universally available, and if you want the most out of the game, you can't just support the UE, you have to take sides in the strand war, and help numerous other people without being patriotic to your made-up computer game government of choice.
I don't like being a regular old mercenary captain bouncing about the universe as much as I like being a firm government supporter. Though all that said, I still like EVO quite a bit, and have spent countless hours on it, though probably not as many as I've spent on EV.
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Although I prefer EV, EV:O is a close second
1- EV has a more simplistic design, with two centralized governments 2- EV has a stringent ship class system 3- EV has more options for expansions with-out a TCP. 4- EV is the ORGININAL , the real McCoy.
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I liked EV better because the graphics seemed more consistent and the recharge rates/speeds were less aggrivation. Also, hector didn't jack my money in EV without a fight....that little punk.. I almost had a new ship too. Thats when I deleted EVO from my harddrive
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I like them both about the same amount, but at this moment I like EV better because I like the facts that EV has a smaller galaxy and more plug-ins.
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I just think EV is simpler, and leaves room in my head for important stuff.
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Escape Velocity has a much deeper plot structure, which is most easily explained by examining the types of conflicts found in each game. First of all, I'll enumerate and identify the conflicts found in EV Override:
United Earth and Emalgha vs. Voinian Empire (Good vs. Evil)
United Earth vs. Renegades (Good vs. Evil)
Miranu and Zachit vs. Renegades (Good vs. Evil)
Human Renegades vs. Alien Renegades (Evil vs. Evil)
Azdgari vs. Igadzra vs. Zidagar (depending on how you look at it, Evil vs. Evil vs. Evil or a three-way battle between moral vacuums)
Conspicuous by its absence is the most interesting type of conflict: Good vs. Good. And while Escape Velocity has two Good vs. Evil conflicts (Everybody vs. the pirates and everybody vs. the aliens), its primary conflict is one where neither side is evil, and both are equally committed to reasonable though incompatible objectives.
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Originally posted by David Arthur: **Escape Velocity has a much deeper plot structure, which is most easily explained by examining the types of conflicts found in each game. First of all, I'll enumerate and identify the conflicts found in EV Override:
Conspicuous by its absence is the most interesting type of conflict: Good vs. Good. And while Escape Velocity has two Good vs. Evil conflicts (Everybody vs. the pirates and everybody vs. the aliens), its primary conflict is one where neither side is evil, and both are equally committed to reasonable though incompatible objectives. **
Damn well said. With EV, the choice of who's evil is yours.
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Originally posted by ZenMastaT: **Well for me personally, (and another poster is the one who gave form to my thoughts) its the fact that you can't support one government across the universe. No weaponry are universally available, and if you want the most out of the game, you can't just support the UE, you have to take sides in the strand war, and help numerous other people without being patriotic to your made-up computer game government of choice.
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That sounds like what I said in another post.. Am I the one who gave form to your thoughts? If so, that's a first for me.
Anyways, that's about what I say. EVO is too big and diversified. It doesn't have a plot; it has a dozen. The ships and weapons seem less creative and original in EVO.
I think David Arthur's point made above this post is also very true.
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Originally posted by ares1: Anyways, that's about what I say. EVO is too big and diversified. It doesn't have a plot; it has a dozen.
True. If all EV Override's plots fit together, it would be better, but they're all basically separate. In fact, I happen to know that Peter Cartwright created the whole UE/Voinian/Emalgha plot, technology, and worlds before the Miranu and Crescent territory, technology, and missions even existed.
Originally posted by Luke: With EV, the choice of who's evil is yours.
That's actually not quite what I meant; what I meant is that in Escape Velocity, ~neither~ side is evil.
(This message has been edited by David Arthur (edited 09-05-2001).)
I've played Escape Velocity around a month after it was first released, and I was hooked from the start. I guess the fact that it is the original is the reason I like EV better. Sure, the Override engine is far better for plugin developers, but EV is the classic, and always will be (even if Nova whoops its older brothers).
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Originally posted by David Arthur: **That's actually not quite what I meant; what I meant is that in Escape Velocity, ~neither~ side is evil. **
Yes, but nearly everyone picks someone who's, in their opinion, >good<, and someone who's >bad<...
Originally posted by David Arthur: **That's actually not quite what I meant; what I meant is that in Escape Velocity, ~neither~ side is evil.
I find that quite interesting. I've noticed how you always tend to take a stand for the Confederation, yet you believe that neither side is exactly "evil?" Hmmm...
Originally posted by Captain Skyblade: **I find that quite interesting. I've noticed how you always tend to take a stand for the Confederation, yet you believe that neither side is exactly "evil?" Hmmm...
You can prefer something and not believe it's oponent is evil.
Yeah, you can believe in something and not believe it's evil. But in EV, people generally decide that either the feds or the rebels are "evil". I think I've seen a topic about feds vs. rebels, which turned into a debate about which is "evil", and everyone had their own opinion. I think that it is valid to say that EV offers players the ability to decide who is evil and who is good. In a poll or something I saw that most people join the rebellion over the confederation. Its not because of cool ships or the superiority of ships and weapons (Rebels lose the later) but because people generally see Confeds as evil. If they didn't see the feds as evil tyrants with good weapons and the Rebels are good-sprited underdogs with inferior weapons, they would probably side with the Confederation more often.
ares1- Maybe it's a matter of political affiliation, class, economic stature, and location?
Actually, I like the Rebellion mainly because of the Rebel Destroyer.
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(This message has been edited by Lord Asriel (edited 09-05-2001).)
Originally posted by Captain Skyblade: I find that quite interesting. I've noticed how you always tend to take a stand for the Confederation, yet you believe that neither side is exactly "evil?" Hmmm...
Why is this interesting? I don't agree with any of the actions the Rebels take, but I don't think they're evil. Evil is a lot more serious than just wrong.
Originally posted by David Arthur: **Why is this interesting? I don't agree with any of the actions the Rebels take, but I don't think they're evil. Evil is a lot more serious than just wrong. **
Ah, so the Confederation is right, the Rebellion is wrong, and the BII is (apparently) evil?
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No, the Confeds aren't "right" and the Rebels aren't "wrong", or vice-versa. It's entirely up to the player to choose who to sympathize with. Personally, I feel that the Rebels are being oppressed, and are correct in some of their decisions, but not all. Well, that's just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own.
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