OS X Editor

zhouj

Well, ResEdit is being annoying to use in OS X mode, and EVONE is even worse. I can't open files properly when I initially run it, then it refuses to save anything, before it refuses to quit without me killing it manually. What other options do I have for editting natively in OS X? I'd prefer to not have to deal with the lag in ResEdit and occasional crash. I've heard of Resorcer but it's rather expensive, has anyone used it before?

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Azratax2

What about mission computer?
-Az

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MadFax7

(url="http://"http://davidarthur.evula.net/mc.php")MissionComputer(/url) is the only option other than EVONE and Resourcer that I know of.

You can report bugs in EVONE (url="http://"http://forums.ariossoftware.com/index.php?act=SF&f;=14")here(/url). Out of curiosity, exactly which resources are you trying to edit when EVONE crashes and what are your system specs?

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(This message has been edited by MadFax7 (edited 02-02-2004).)

orcaloverbri9

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Originally posted by zhouj:
EVONE is even worse. I can't open files properly when I initially run it, then it refuses to save anything, before it refuses to quit without me killing it manually.

Well, knowing Jeff, he'll end up posting on this board and asking about it.

However, send all bug reports to him (support@ariossoftware.com, as I recall). Remember, it's a public beta , don't expect some über-editor.

Oddly enough, ResEdit is more stable for me under Classic than starting up in OS 9. Then again, OS 9 for me is really ed up (over half my applications won't run because of the same bull error...).

Anyway, your only other option is (url="http://"http://davidarthur.evula.net/mc.php")MissionComputer(/url), which is becoming an excellent editor. Once David finishes the graphical editors, implements the rlë decoder, and makes an rlë encoder (assuming he does; I think I remember something about not bothering because EnRle can already do it, and it's very difficult), it'll be finished. More work than it sounds, though...

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Entarus

If you have a problem with EVONE , post a description here :
(url="http://"http://forums.ariossoftware.com/index.php?act=SF&f;=2")http://forums.arioss....php?act=SF&f=2 (/url)

And we will see what we can do , just saying that it doesn't work doesn't help anyone.

Thanks,

Entarus,

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(This message has been edited by Entarus (edited 02-02-2004).)

zhouj

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Originally posted by Entarus:
**If you have a problem with EVONE , post a description here :
http://forums.arioss....php?act=SF&f=2 ://http://forums.ariossoftware.com/ind...t=SF&f;=2 ://http://forums.ariossoftware.com/ind...t=SF&f;=2

And we will see what we can do , just saying that it doesn't work doesn't help anyone.

Thanks,

Entarus,

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I will do that.

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mrxak

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Originally posted by orcaloverbri9:
Oddly enough, ResEdit is more stable for me under Classic than starting up in OS 9. Then again, OS 9 for me is really ed up (over half my applications won't run because of the same bull error...).

Take it over to Just Tech. They may be able to help.

David Arthur

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Originally posted by orcaloverbri9:
... makes an rlë encoder (assuming he does; I think I remember something about not bothering because EnRle can already do it, and it's very difficult)...

Indeed, given that an RLE encoder would be many times more complicated than anything present in MissionComputer at the moment, and given that EnRLE already does everything I can imagine ever wanting to do with RLEs, I see very little reason to make it one of my priorities.

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orcaloverbri9

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Originally posted by mrxak:
Take it over to Just Tech. They may be able to help.

Well, it's error code 1,010...

starts up MacErrors

Bad shared library error?

takes it over to Just Tech

David: Well, the thing is, EnRle isn't entirely reliable. But hey, it's your program, and I've never had trouble with it, so whatever.

Let us pray that if there is an EV4, it will be based on SAT...

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AriosSw

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Originally posted by orcaloverbri9:
**Let us pray that if there is an EV4, it will be based on SAT...

**

Don't be ridiculous. Not only is SAT now unsupported by Ingemar, but SpriteWorld is infinitely better and still under active development. RLE? Hardware OpenGL support? Parallax scrolling? Translucency? It does it all - what else could you ask for?

(Haha, sorry, if you can't tell, I like SW)

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Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the SpriteWorld used in Nova doesn't use hardware acceleration. Grrrr.....

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orcaloverbri9

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Originally posted by AriosSw:
**Don't be ridiculous. Not only is SAT now unsupported by Ingemar, but SpriteWorld is infinitely better and still under active development. RLE? Hardware OpenGL support? Parallax scrolling? Translucency? It does it all - what else could you ask for?

(Haha, sorry, if you can't tell, I like SW)**

Not supported? Try doing a Google search. And my point was that RLEs are difficult. PICTs, on the other hand...

What does OpenGL have to do with SW? Oh, and RLEs are...grr. And I could ask for better (assuming it even has it) PICT support.

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AriosSw

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Originally posted by orcaloverbri9:
**Not supported? Try doing a Google search. And my point was that RLEs are difficult. PICTs, on the other hand...

What does OpenGL have to do with SW? Oh, and RLEs are...grr. And I could ask for better (assuming it even has it) PICT support.

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His site has not been updated since April of last year. But I guess he did decide to work on an OS X version... I had heard he had abandoned it with the transition to X, which is why I called it unsupported. Oh well.

RLEs are beautiful once you have a good editor - PICTs are slower to load, slower to draw, larger....

SW has hardware OpenGL support in that spriteworlds are mapped as OpenGL textures and therefore hardware accelerated. It does not appear to be enabled in Nova - the programmer has to specifically add it in.

Having used SW for 5+ years, I am talking about the features of the library itself, not those that Nova supports. SW has awesome PICT and Quicktime file support, as evidenced by the import/export features of my upcoming RLE editor. Again, I don't know why, but PICTs do not appear to work well with Nova.

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Azratax2

Orca, what is your beef with RLE's? They are smaller and a more logical format concidering what we are doing with them.
-Az

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pipeline

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Originally posted by AriosSw:
SW has hardware OpenGL support in that spriteworlds are mapped as OpenGL textures and therefore hardware accelerated. It does not appear to be enabled in Nova - the programmer has to specifically add it in.

We ran out of time. Besides, I think that function postdates Nova.

Dave @ ATMOS

pipeline

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Originally posted by Azratax2:
Orca, what is your beef with RLE's? They are smaller and a more logical format concidering what we are doing with them.

They sure are. Let me tell you a little story: the first tests of Nova when it was being rewritten for 16 bit sprites used flat PICT files. Nova took over 5 minutes to load on a 400MHz B&W; G3, which was a flaming hot machine at the time.

The day Matty swapped to RLEs the loadtime dropped to 5 seconds. That's why we use RLEs.

all the best,

Dave @ ATMOS

AriosSw

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Originally posted by pipeline:
**We ran out of time. Besides, I think that function postdates Nova.
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Yes, it quite possibly does. I am not criticizing you guys at all.

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