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I was looking at the webboard about the 5 most annoying ships in EVO so i decided to put up the five most strongest ships (in my opinion and that you can buy without cheating) in EVO they go as 1. UE Cruiser 2. Voinian Cruiser 3. Igazra 4. UE Carrier 5. Voinian Frigate
When i mean strongest i mean best sheilding + armour + firepower all standerd (no upgrades). Most people will be surprised to see the Frigate and the Destroyer but the frigate has a lot of armour and phase cannons do absoloutly nothing to amour and the Carrier has some pretty serious firepower.
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If you're speaking merely of AI ships included in the game, you could also look up all the special ships in the game. My personal favourite and one heck of a ship is the Disco Bison.
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Originally posted by Cap'n Zarvox: **phase cannons do absoloutly nothing to amour
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: shot for shot, Phase Cannons do the same damage to armor as Blaze Cannons.
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yes but blaze cannons fire out more quickly than phase cannons which = more damage
BEEEP Wrong. The Blaze Cannon and Phase Cannon each have an equal firing rate, but the Blaze Cannon is less accurate, meaning it probably won't hit as much. Anyway, I have to agree with Carno on the strongest AI ship; either Disco Hamburger or U.E.S. Incontrevertible
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Originally posted by ESPilot: **BEEEP Wrong. The Blaze Cannon and Phase Cannon each have an equal firing rate, but the Blaze Cannon is less accurate, meaning it probably won't hit as much. Anyway, I have to agree with Carno on the strongest AI ship; either Disco Hamburger or U.E.S. Incontrevertible
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Correctimundo... except for one thing. I never said anything about strongest AI ship, and yet you said "Carno".
Anyway, against the Strands, Miranu, and the general crescent area, the Voinian Cruiser is the strongest by far. Against Voinians, UE, Emalgha, and Human Renegades, the Igazra is the strongest, followed closely by the UE Cruiser. Of course, I'm looking this from the standpoint that you're allowed to upgrade and change the weapons of your ships.
WITHOUT upgrades, I can't stay. Though the Voinian Cruiser (non-upgraded) would be able to whoop three Igazras, it would be impossible for it to destroy a UE Cruiser. Yes, the UE Cruiser is good; but in the Crescent, it would be easy meat for Zidaras, Igazras, and AWs.
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Originally posted by Cap'n Zarvox: I was looking at the webboard about the 5 most annoying ships in EVO so i decided to put up the five most strongest ships (in my opinion and that you can buy without cheating) in EVO they go as 1. UE Cruiser 2. Voinian Cruiser 3. Igazra 4. UE Carrier 5. Voinian Frigate
I'd say the Voinian Cruiser is more powerful then the UE Cruiser - but of course that's assuming humans are piloting both.
As for AI ships, The Disco Bison is definately the toughest, although andrew's pretty tough too.
Originally posted by ESPilot: BEEEP Wrong. The Blaze Cannon and Phase Cannon each have an equal firing rate , but the Blaze Cannon is less accurate, meaning it probably won't hit as much. Anyway, I have to agree with Carno on the strongest AI ship; either Disco Hamburger or U.E.S. Incontrevertible
It's time to get your head out of your ass and look at the EVO Data file.
Blaze Cannons fire twice as fast as Phase Cannons. (12 to 24) Likewise, Blaze Turrets fire twice as fast as Phase Turrets. (6 to 12)
And as for Phase Cannons doing as much mass damage as Blaze Cannons, that's not true either. Blaze Cannons do 5 mass damage, and Phase Cannons do 4. (well, 4.75 actually, but I'm pretty sure EVO doesn't round up, if it rounds at all)
However, I well agree that Blaze Cannons hit alot less then Phase partly because of their inaccuracy, and therfore may be less effective, but then again, it really depends on your tactics. Phase Cannons are more for small-ish ships and circling (or similar) tactics. Blaze Cannons are more for large, tough ships and up-close and personal tactics against heavily armored craft.
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I'd say that the UE Cruiser has the highest potential power...
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Originally posted by MadFax7: **And as for Phase Cannons doing as much mass damage as Blaze Cannons, that's not true either. Blaze Cannons do 5 mass damage, and Phase Cannons do 4. (well, 4.75 actually, but I'm pretty sure EVO doesn't round up, if it rounds at all)
He didn't say mass damage. He said damage to armor. Damage to armor = mass damage + (Energy Damage/4), and I believe if you use that equation (shown in the EVO Bible) they do indeed get the same damage per shot. However, your other points are correct.
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I think the strongest AI ship is Elizabeth Rieb haven't seen anyone say that yet, and U.E.S. Incontrovertible. As for ships you can pilot, I prefer my decked out Igadzra over anything.
Voinian Dreadnought err, can i vote for that? If not then i'll just go for the Igazra.
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Originally posted by Mazca: **He didn't say mass damage. He said damage to armor. Damage to armor = mass damage + (Energy Damage/4), and I believe if you use that equation (shown in the EVO Bible) they do indeed get the same damage per shot. However, your other points are correct. **
Actually, I WAS using that equation. The Phase Cannon wรซap resource is set to 15 energy damage and 1 mass damage. 15/4 = 3.75, 3.75 + 1 = 4.75. (blaze: 5 E/4 M 5/4 = 1.25, 1.25 +4 = 5.25)
Originally posted by MadFax7: **Blaze Cannons fire twice as fast as Phase Cannons. (12 to 24) Likewise, Blaze Turrets fire twice as fast as Phase Turrets.
And as for Phase Cannons doing as much mass damage as Blaze Cannons, that's not true either. Blaze Cannons do 5 mass damage, and Phase Cannons do 4. (well, 4.75 actually, but I'm pretty sure EVO doesn't round up, if it rounds at all)**
Yes, but that isn't a real MAJOR difference when you have 5 phase turrets.
Originally posted by MadFax7: **However, I well agree that Blaze Cannons hit alot less then Phase partly because of their inaccuracy, and therfore may be less effective, but then again, it really depends on your tactics. Phase Cannons are more for small-ish ships and circling (or similar) tactics. Blaze Cannons are more for large, tough ships and up-close and personal tactics against heavily armored craft.
Sort of, but I also think that 1) Phase weapons fire pulses that go quicker than blaze pulses, and 2) Phase weapons have a longer range. Thus, I like Phase Weapons better, especially with the fact that, total damage done to an enemy ship, they are better. Add inaccuracy to that, and they're ever better!
Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur: Sort of, but I also think that 1) Phase weapons fire pulses that go quicker than blaze pulses
When I typed the "partly" in that sentence, I had specifically in mind that Blaze fire is far slower than Phase fire.
Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur: and 2) Phase weapons have a longer range. Thus, I like Phase Weapons better, especially with the fact that, total damage done to an enemy ship, they are better. Add inaccuracy to that, and they're ever better!
I'll admit that Phase are great, especially for fighting anything with shields, and they aren't that bad for fighting Voinians either. (probably better for fighting Voinians then blaze cannons in most cases) But if you really want to do some serious Voinian bashing, buy Neutrons.
i find that phase has those gaps in the shots that small ships like Kraits can hide in.phase doesnt move when you fire it lookes like this: )===>. -.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....- a ship can hide here:......^ blaze actualty moves so it looks like this: )===>---------------------- it may have less range but you get more hits in because they cant hide between shots.
Blaze is better. <I use Neutron for ranged attack> (stats are in 255% game speed format)
my money is on the UE Cruiser. it will last in the Cresent because: it has 100 armor it's hunters cut right through Zidagar jamers it wont have trouble geting through the armor of ships and has fighters that can dish out as much damage as an Arada
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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral: **i find that phase has those gaps in the shots that small ships like Kraits can hide in.phase doesnt move when you fire it lookes like this: )===>. -.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....-.....- a ship can hide here:......^ blaze actualty moves so it looks like this: )===>---------------------- it may have less range but you get more hits in because they cant hide between shots. **
Not correct. Get just 3 or 4 phase cannons/turrets, and that problem is completely countered. Besides, Phase pulses go so fast it's IMPOSSIBLE to hide "In-between the shots" unless you have just 1 phase cannon, which is really stupid to have anyway. If you have a weapon, get lots of them.
Originally posted by U.E. Admiral: **Blaze is better. <I use Neutron for ranged attack> (stats are in 255% game speed format) **
Not correct. Blaze is more inaccurate, Blaze does less damage to shields, Blaze has a shorter range, and Blaze pulses go slower than phase. Neutrons are also quite nice, except for the fact that they are insanely heavy.
Originally posted by U.E. Admiral: **my money is on the UE Cruiser. it will last in the Cresent because: it has 100 armor it's hunters cut right through Zidagar jamers it wont have trouble geting through the armor of ships and has fighters that can dish out as much damage as an Arada **
Also not correct.
I've yet to see a non-crescent ship which can stand up to a human-piloted Azdara. IMO, Igazras are the best capital ship by some margin.
Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur: **Also not correct.
Some of it is true some of it isn't true example i was in my upgraded U.E Cruiser decked out witll all possible upgrades got attacked by azdgari warship with 6 azdaras the blaze cannons got rid of my sheilds quickly but took for ages against my armour, smae with Igadzra ships and Zidagar ships. And about the blazes accuracy it might not be that good but a good pilot uses them to there advantage e.g 5 blaze turret equipped U.E cruiser going side on with an Igazra will cover the whole ship where as phase turrets just get one spot and stay there so u can keep firing and dodge his phase turrets while your blaze hits keep getting him. Anyway Neutron cannons/turrets are by far the primary weapens in the game end of story.
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Okay, but you were upgraded, and Azdaras and AWs only have phase weapons; no secondaries which would be a lot more useful against armor.
Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur: **WITHOUT upgrades, I can't stay. Though the Voinian Cruiser (non-upgraded) would be able to whoop three Igazras, it would be impossible for it to destroy a UE Cruiser. Yes, the UE Cruiser is good; but in the Crescent, it would be easy meat for Zidaras, Igazras, and AWs. **
I'm afraid that's not true. The Voinian Cruiser is better than the Igazra due to it's armour, but it couldn't take out three, I don't think, without upgrades and AI.
The strongest ship is either of those two, probably the Igazra in my opinion. Too many people take the phase-armour weakness to mean everything. We're talking the strongest ship here, not the one-that-can-destroy-the-most-ship-types.
That's why I think multiplayer would be stupid - it'd be a load of Voinian Cruisers and Igazras, with some UE Cruisers for anyone who likes to take a risk, and a couple of Dreadnoughts. Someone would fly along with another ship and be gone in seconds.
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