# weapon myths/maths

Well some people think emalghaguns are the best against armor, blazes are bad against anything as phase cannons and turrets do the same damage against armomr and 2000x against shields and neutrons always fire the wrong way. True or false, now we'll find out:

Blaze cannon

aginst armor:4(5)
against shields:5(6)

so now we can calculate how much damage a blaze cannon does in 1 second:

against armor:30/125=12.5
against shields:30/12
6=15

now the range:
speed:1250
count(how long the bullet stays on screen):20
1250/100*20=250

so the range is 250 pixels. not perfect, i'd say. but let's move on, we still have 3 more weapons to go!

and turrets: Blaze turrets are actually pretty good as they have double the firing rate compared to the cannon:neutron and emalgha turrets lack this feature.

phase cannon

against armor:1(3 or 4,depends on the way EVO rounds off numbers)
against shields:15(15)

against armor:30/243=3,75 or 30/244=5
against shields:30/24*15=18,75

range:
speed:2000
count:18
2000/100*18=360pixels

and for turrets: in my opinion, phase turrets are the best cannon-to-turrets: not more inaccurate and doubled firingrate. Seems like the cannon was designed to be used in a turret

neutron cannon
against armor:10(17 or 18)
against shields:30(32 or 33)

against armor:30/2517=20,4 or 30/2518=21,6
against shields:30/2532=38,4 or 30/2533=39,6

range:
speed:750
count:50
750/100*50=375
hey that's the best one yet!

turrets: not that good at all. same firingrate as with cannons and so slow that the turretting screws up: it fires the opposite direction if the target apporaches fast enough. great damage+range tho

emalgha

against shields:0(6)
against armor:25(25)

against shields:30/246=7,5
against armor:30/24
25=31,25

range:
speed:500
count:40
500/100*40=200

and turrets: these aren't even real turrets and their firingrate is the same as with cannons.

Verdict: I suggest using local equipment in all cases unless there is a certain technique the player wishes to use. Blazes do well against human ships since they're very well balanced between armor and shields and their speed is avarage.

Neutron turrets are only good against their users: the voinians. They, though deliver massive damage, have pathetic speed, wich is a feature that has no significance only against the voinians. Neutron cannons are the best weapon to be used with the "monty python" manouver, however.

Phase turrets are very good against the crescent ships and they're the only ones fast enough to hit any crescent fighter and deliver great damage to shields. Phase turrets can also be used successfully against humans/renegades.

ComputerLizard

PS: if this does not increase my karma i don't know what will.

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Intresting, that helped me a lot but I sill like blaze and phase

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and you have a good reason to do so, too, if you mostly cruise the human space or the crescent (phase).

ComputerLizard

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Another important thing is accuracy.. I've found that blaze turrets are absolutely hopeless there, whereas phase turrets are spot on, and I don't use the other two types. Anyway, this results in one being able to stand within phase turret range of almost anything and hit them without them hitting you, especially, I have found, against Voinian ships. When I get to the Emalgha in a miranu courier with phase turrets I'm perfectly happy - okay it may take a bit longer, but the Voinian ships won't even fire on you if you are far enough away, and drifting away faster than them. Funny as I always thought neutron turrets had way better range and accuracy when playing on the LCIII, but everything was so much slower there, phase turrets missed at close range all the time and I found that blaze was the only way to go, whoever you were against. But now playing on Executor on PC I find phase the only way to go because of the accuracy and range, but it does annoy me that phase makes kraits seem unacceptably pathetic :frown:.

I've always thought a neat add-on could involve the humans designing a ship that comes with phase weapons, after the diplomatic relations with the miranu, in order to help their cause against the renegades. Or, the renegades develop one to help against the humans :).

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I always use neutrons on the voinians and phase everywhere else. Neutrons have a good range and damage against armor, and in voinian space it doesn't really matter if they're slow moving. You can usually outrun all the ships, even the fighters. The phase is fast, accurate, and powerful in the crescent and against humans.

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Originally posted by MartiNZ:
**I've always thought a neat add-on could involve the humans designing a ship that comes with phase weapons, after the diplomatic relations with the miranu, in order to help their cause against the renegades. Or, the renegades develop one to help against the humans:).
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I've wondered that too. It would bite if they got caught fighting the voinians in that, but they'd mop up the renegades.

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Neutrons and nice and powerful, but are they better than the super-fast firing phase weapons which are slightly more accurate?

Also, I never really liked Emalgha weapons. They may be good against armor, but Blaze are a whole lot better. Phase are nice, and so are Neutrons (except for their bulkiness).

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In version 1.0.2 I like to use phase and neutrons. But in 1.0.1 I used neutrons everywhere. All you have to do is fly away from the fighters, let them close in on you and you can take out wave after wave of cresent fighters without a scratch (using V. Crusier). But in version 1.0.2 as you said, the neutrons sometimes fire in the opposite direction.

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But, Neutrons are still good. Just better against capitol ships in EVO 1.0.2.

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Hey, ComputerLizard, you're good at math like this. Here's a question: Which are better against shields? Neutrons or Phase?

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hrm...

psst ~~~~ sorryt to tell ya, but,

-ure karma didn't get raised......

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MrStuffTheIT: I noticed that too. well now i know not to do this again. hmp.

Captain Carnotaur: depends. if you use cannons and fight against slow ships, then definately neutrons. however, phase turrets have twice the firingrate (doubles the damage/sec) compared to cannons and neutron turrets act as if there was just one cannon wich can shoot in any drection (and that is the opposite direction if your enemy is fast enough :p). therefore phase turrets are usually better (39.6>18.75x2) and since they're incredibly fast, always use them if you want good turrets against shields. Even if there was a fast fighter with good armor and no shields(a fast voinian? yeah, right!) you should use phase since it actually hits something.

Since usually slow ships with good shields have fighters, you'll run into problems with them using neutron turrets. Therefore i recommend using phase turrets if you want turrets but neutron cannons if you want cannons. Ofcourse phases are easier to get, so you'll find yourself using them more anyways.

ComputerLizard

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Thanks, and not only that, but Phase Weapons are smaller.

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I think that Phase and Blaze are the best because they are the lightest, have the fastest firing rate, and do a good ammount of damage.The Phase is good againist everything but Voinians. The Blaze is okay againist everything. It does about equal ammount of damage to armor and shields. Another plus is that both of the turrets have double the firing rate of their cannons. Neutrons and the other doesn't. Blaze and Phase also take up the least space, 5 for Cannon, 20 for Turret, but the neutron is 15 for Cannon and 30 for Turret.

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ComputerLizard, I just raised your karma. It was a very good post and helpful to the EV community.

Keep in mind, everyone, that the mods aren't on the boards 24 hours a day, and sometimes we miss something. If you really feel that someone has done something extraordinary (or conversely, very bad), you can send an e-mail. BUT, do not send e-mails asking to have your own karma raised, and do not send multiple e-mails about the same thing. That's just really annoying, all right?
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Thanks! ok i got the point, i just figured that since there are quite a few mods someone would've noticed already.

ComputerLizard

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The "annoying" part wasn't aimed at you. Sorry if it seemed that way. I just put that in so people wouldn't think that sending the mods a zillion e-mails would help anything.
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Hmmmm, interesting info.. But still I stick to my patern..

Elmalgha vs. Voinion.
and Phase vs. everything else!!

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Emalgha guns are good if you can't afford the space for the neutrons.

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i never sent an e-mail, so it didn't seem (to me) that you meant that I would be annoying (how could that even be possible? i'm so lovable i couldn't be annoying even if i tried! "yeah, right!").

ComputerLizard

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