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Here's one weakness of the Voinians: their fanaticism. They always have to conquer, kill, and so on, and cannot realize when it's time to give up. case in point: In Reign of the Voinians II- Shades of Evil, General Ky-Targh (or whatever his name is) realizes that the Voinians cannot keep on fighting the Zachit- the Zachit are too unified, too strong, and too smart to be conquered by the Voinians. So the General offers peace terms with the Zachit, the only reasonable thing to do,given that a continued Voinian-Zachit war would be the Voinian equivalent of the Vietnam War for America. How does the Voinian government pay the General for his actions? By giving him a desk job! (And Lone, don't tell me its for Voinain Diplomatic Service because they probably don't have any.)
At least the UE had the sense to withdraw from Huron when it became too unpopular.
God bless,
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Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: **Did you make this up? If not where did you find it?
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Nope. I got it from the Borburg Daily Times.
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Originally posted by UE Patriot (at home): **Here's one weakness of the Voinians: their fanaticism. They always have to conquer, kill, and so on, and cannot realize when it's time to give up. case in point: In Reign of the Voinians II- Shades of Evil, General Ky-Targh (or whatever his name is) realizes that the Voinians cannot keep on fighting the Zachit- the Zachit are too unified, too strong, and too smart to be conquered by the Voinians. So the General offers peace terms with the Zachit, the only reasonable thing to do,given that a continued Voinian-Zachit war would be the Voinian equivalent of the Vietnam War for America. How does the Voinian government pay the General for his actions? By giving him a desk job! (And Lone, don't tell me its for Voinain Diplomatic Service because they probably don't have any.)
UE Patriot**
Heh. You're sort of a hipocrite. You say you are a Patriot for the UEs but you have played ROTV&at; least half of ROTV II. And the Voinians had a right to stick the one General at a desk job. Crecent ships are EASY to kill. When the peace treaty was signed I was getting tribute from Zachit Station. And I have never said the Voinians have a diplomatic branch of their goverment. By that time everybody they had met hated them. And, before you say that the Voinians attacked the innocent Miranu, the time when they attacked was when a large fleet was heading to UE space to help the UEs. You would be lieing if you said that the UE wouldn't attack anyone that helped the Voinians militarily. And do you how in one of the missions in the "Free Huron" string that there are only a few UE Destroyer captiens? The main reason the UEs withdrew was that they would have been creamed if they stayed.
You know, for a topic that I thought had been talked about many times before, this is turning into a good heated debate.
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Originally posted by Lonevoinian: **Nope. I got it from the Borburg Daily Times.
Yeah right!
Face it, the Voinians are evil creatures who wan't to take over the galaxy!
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About the pod thing, there's a part in EVO plus about an early UE encounter with the Igadzra. The UE send over a shuttle with diplomats to an Igzara, but the big Ig thinks that it is a weapon and blows it away. Then it disables all the old UE Destroyers and hypers out. They drift deep into space and start up a new life beyond the Proxima Nebula... ah, just play the plug-in, it's cool.
Anyway, the UE Cruiser can take out two Voinian Cruisers, Carnotaur. Of course, I know that this tested fact won't make you change your mind, so I'll just let it go.
Hunter missles are kinda stupid, asteroidwise, but they usually hit home against Voinian Frigates and such that are going two miles per hour. And they do good damage.
Resource-wise, who cares? Sol is perfectly safe, you'll never see Voinians there. Unless you play ROTV. The frontier is pretty solid for both races.
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Hey LV, if your Vionans tried to get food from Emalgha why did you strip our planets of minerals?
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The Vionans striped your planets? I never knew that. Or are you talking about the Voinians? If so, why shouldn't they? It's kind of stupid to not use some of your resources avalible to you in a war. Even more so if it's a race you already counquerd. Also, it discourages revolt somewhat. If you have no resources to build things to fight back with, it's going to take a lot more provoking to activate a revolt. Who knows, the Emalgha might have saved the Voinians from the UEs by not revolting soon enough.
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(This message has been edited by Lonevoinian (edited 12-20-2000).)
Originally posted by Lonevoinian: **The Vionans striped your planets? I never knew that. Or are you talking about the Voinians? **
Oh, Lone, I see that the Voinians striped your planets. What kind of stripes? Yellow? Blue? Green? Red? Striping is a serious offense, ya know. A lot of planets like their polka-dotted exterior. It would've been even worse, however, if the Voinians had stripped your planets.
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Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: **You know, for a topic that I thought had been talked about many times before, this is turning into a good heated debate.:D **
You're right, Bubaganoosh, and I'me proud to have started this topic! LoneVoinian, your stories may exist, but we can't rely on them as they are not in the game. Try to talk about the superiority of the Voinans in the Crescent, where UE ships really stink. Hre it is a serious debate, not a place to tell your stories. Remember it.
Voinians have finally made a few points, but UE stilll have a light advantage.
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Yeah well the Voinians just beat whatever light advantage the UE had with their neutron turrets. Take that!
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Originally posted by Lonevoinian: **
Heh. You're sort of a hipocrite. You say you are a Patriot for the UEs but you have played ROTV&at; least half of ROTV II. And the Voinians had a right to stick the one General at a desk job. Crecent ships are EASY to kill. When the peace treaty was signed I was getting tribute from Zachit Station. And I have never said the Voinians have a diplomatic branch of their goverment. By that time everybody they had met hated them. And, before you say that the Voinians attacked the innocent Miranu, the time when they attacked was when a large fleet was heading to UE space to help the UEs. You would be lieing if you said that the UE wouldn't attack anyone that helped the Voinians militarily. And do you how in one of the missions in the "Free Huron" string that there are only a few UE Destroyer captiens? The main reason the UEs withdrew was that they would have been creamed if they stayed. **
Actually, I didn't actuallly play ROTV or ROTV II, I just looked at them in Mission Control, ResEdit, EVO Developer's Map and EV-Edit, just to see how a quality "conquest" plugin is made. By the way Bomb, you should have completed "Terran Dawn." I would have downloaded it.
By that time everybody they had met hated them (/b)(the Voinians) .
Nobody likes the Voinians, whci his why nobody would help them militarily. But at least THREE races like the UE.
Lets just put it this way: The Voinians would conquer the UE in two seconds if they had good shields, and not good armor. Did you know that the Voinian frigate has as much armor as a CW has shields? If the Voinians spent all their time on shields, then a Voinian frigate would be like a Crescent warship!
Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur: Lets just put it this way: The Voinians would conquer the UE in two seconds if they had good shields, and not good armor. Did you know that the Voinian frigate has as much armor as a CW has shields? If the Voinians spent all their time on shields, then a Voinian frigate would be like a Crescent warship!
Well... deh?!
If the Voinians had focused on shields then the UE would have come up with a weapon that would penetrate shields instead of the Blaze cannon. The whole reason the UE came up with the ships and outfits that they did was to specificly overpower the Voinians. If the Voinians had had shields instead of armor than UE ship and outfit technology would be completly different.
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Originally posted by Lonevoinian: ** Nope. I got it from the Borburg Daily Times.
You know that the paper is owned by the Voinian Empire? It's propaganda, every bit of it. And badly written to boot.
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Hey, LV how did the Vionans get their butts kicked by wooden ships? Everbody says Emalgha are horrible but we can liberate ourselves without even good ships, I think at heart the Vionans are relly weak!!!!!
The Emalgaha ships are really wooden? I thought that was just what their texture looked like. Anyway, the Emalgaha do get their butts kicked by the Voinians. It was just due to lack of funding that they could completly kill off the Emalgaha's. If you play ROTV you'll read more about this. The Voinians used so much money and power against the UE line that they couldn't focus their forces on the Emalgaha. Even though their ships might be weak it is still hard to conquer the home-world of a race. No matter how weak they are. Besides the Emalgaha have a pretty nice gun against the Voinians.... if used correctly.
Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: **The Emalgaha ships are really wooden? I thought that was just what their texture looked like. Anyway, the Emalgaha do get their butts kicked by the Voinians. It was just due to lack of funding that they could completly kill off the Emalgaha's. If you play ROTV you'll read more about this. The Voinians used so much money and power against the UE line that they couldn't focus their forces on the Emalgaha. Even though their ships might be weak it is still hard to conquer the home-world of a race. No matter how weak they are. Besides the Emalgaha have a pretty nice gun against the Voinians.... if used correctly. **
That's probely true because the UE is a much bigger threat than the Emalgha.
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Originally posted by ~Patton: **Hey, LV how did the Vionans get their butts kicked by wooden ships? Everbody says Emalgha are horrible but we can liberate ourselves without even good ships, I think at heart the Vionans are relly weak!!!!!
Yes, they are. However, the Voinians can kill the Emalgha very easily.