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Originally posted by grunadulater: **What about the Miranu? And the Hinwar? And the Emalghia? I'm sure the UE would find out about them sooner or later...
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your point being...? all three of these civilizations made some kind of peace with the UE, you really think they'd turn around and help renegades?
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Originally posted by Desperado: **your point being...? all three of these civilizations made some kind of peace with the UE, you really think they'd turn around and help renegades?
I was responding to what Taylor said about the UE having no friends to assist them.
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oh im sorry i misunderstood, forgive my arrogance
Originally posted by grunadulater: **I was responding to what Taylor said about the UE having no friends to assist them.
I don't remember saying anything of the sort.
'Though you may evade your fate for a while, when your luck runs out you will have no friends to assist you, and precious little chance for mercy.'
Meaning that those who fight aginst the UE are indeed fighting against humanity and that will not be tolerated. Those people also are not the UE's friends.
The Miranu, Hinwar, and Emalghia are not fighting aginst the UE, and the UE does know of them (once you finsh certain missions).
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Originally posted by Taylor: **I don't remember saying anything of the sort.
Wait, I was right? There's a first for everything... Thank you for clarifying.
But this argument begs the question of whether or not the UE has the right to speak for humanity, and, indeed, whether the extinction of humanity necessarily defines a race as evil. Or whether or not the Voinians would enslave humanity once they conquered the UE government.
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Judging from the Voinians' history so far, they would likely have indeed enslaved Humanity had they destroyed the UE fleets in the Battle of Sol, thus conquering Humanity. They enslaved the Tientu, the Emalgha, the Hinwar, and many other species. Granted, both the Emalgha and the Hinwar break free in the game if you complete certain missions, but the fact remains that the Voinians enslaved as they expanded, much like the Ottoman Turk conquests. (Once the addition of new territories ended, and thus the supply of new slaves, the government began to decay and was eventually torn apart by civil wars across its borders.)
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Well, it's been a while since I played (and I never did all the strings) but we don't know the story of the Hinwar slaves, do we? Perhaps they were evil themselves, so the Voinians destroyed a universal threat. I don't remember the Emalgha ever being enslaved, though I remember they were beat up a lot. However, they were at war... Don't think I ever saw the Tientu. Besides, the US did some pretty horrible stuff in its past, and you don't consider them completely evil, do you?
First, let's start with a definition, shall we?
Evil: adj.
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant. 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet. 3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens. 4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation. 5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.
Now, we could argue that many of the governments in EVO, especially the UE and the Voinians, are evil by the second definition, as they are constantly killing each other and harming each other's side.
Find me a country on the map of the world that has no history whatsoever of evil actions.
The point is that asking whether a government is evil or not depends on perspective.
Originally posted by grunadulater: **What about the Miranu? And the Hinwar? And the Emalghia? I'm sure the UE would find out about them sooner or later... **
The Miranu are the most sinister race of all. They casually employ the Emalgha and the Humans as a buffer against Voinian expansion, while assisting neither of them. They get rich while trading with every side in the Strand War. They employ the Zachit, instead of fighting their own battles. They claim to be peaceful, yet they have a secret weapon development programme underway. They are actively engaged in the export of fuzzes, to the point where that species is facing extinction. Finally, they don't seem to belong to our galaxy at all; humanity, the Zidagar, the Azdgari and the Igadzra are all represented by monoliths on one of the Council's planets... there's no mention of the Miranu.
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Originally posted by VoinianAmbassador: **The Miranu are the most sinister race of all. They casually employ the Emalgha and the Humans as a buffer against Voinian expansion, while assisting neither of them. They get rich while trading with every side in the Strand War. They employ the Zachit, instead of fighting their own battles. They claim to be peaceful, yet they have a secret weapon development programme underway. They are actively engaged in the export of fuzzes, to the point where that species is facing extinction. Finally, they don't seem to belong to our galaxy at all; humanity, the Zidagar, the Azdgari and the Igadzra are all represented by monoliths on one of the Council's planets... there's no mention of the Miranu.
Ugh. So this kind of reasoning Voinian supporters use. They use arguments that things cant be proven to be bad are bad. They make the only completely peaceful race evil. No offense VoinianAmbassador (I never want to hurt anyone), but that's ridiculous.
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(This message has been edited by General Cade Smart (edited 01-07-2003).)
Originally posted by General Cade Smart: **No offense VoinianAmbassador (I never want to hurt anyone), but that's ridiculous. **
Not nearly as ridiculous as Lonevoinian's description of how the war started.
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Originally posted by Blackdog: **Not nearly as ridiculous as Lonevoinian's description of how the war started.
Oh yeah, I forgot that. Thanks for the reminder Blackdog.
Originally posted by VoinianAmbassador: The Miranu are the most sinister race of all. They casually employ the Emalgha and the Humans as a buffer against Voinian expansion, while assisting neither of them.
The Miranu don't provide military assistance, but they do trade with both of the races fighting the Voinians, which may well mean vital supplies to the Emalgha. For that matter, is there anything in the game that actually suggests that the Miranu have even made contact with the Voinians?
Originally posted by VoinianAmbassador: They employ the Zachit, instead of fighting their own battles.
Sort of like how our governments hire a police force, you mean?
Originally posted by VoinianAmbassador: Finally, they don't seem to belong to our galaxy at all; humanity, the Zidagar, the Azdgari and the Igadzra are all represented by monoliths on one of the Council's planets... there's no mention of the Miranu.
Isn't that from a plug-in?
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Good point, Solel...
Originally posted by David Arthur: **For that matter, is there anything in the game that actually suggests that the Miranu have even made contact with the Voinians?
In the Nebula Exploration missions Miranu say that they have tried to open trade, but "the Voinians remains rigidly xenophobic in this respect".
(Jake would like to preface this message with a warning that many factors may have contributed to it being total garbage. Read it if you dare.) So, if the Voinians have contacted the Miranu at some point, how? Speculations? Any evidence? Why am I staying up to think about this? My thinking is that, unless they Miranu contacted the Voinians THROUGH the Emalgha, they would have been exposed to possible Voinian attack. Have we already discussed what instigates Voinian attack? Maybe they're just a conquering empire, like Rome, whose economy couldnt have supported itself in the long run without spoils of war. Not so evil as a USSR or Nazi Germany empire, but still evil in their own unique way.
Let's face it, there are about 4 kinds of pple in the universe (more or less but who keeps track?)
1. Good guys 2. Bad guys 3. Good badguys and 4. Bad goodguys.
Maybe this will explain everything.
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Voinians. They are setup to be such bad guys, there must be some conspiracy.
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(This message has been edited by Borb II (edited 01-13-2003).)
LOL. If I ever get around to finishing Reign III, there is no doubt (with your permission of course) that this text will be included in it..
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