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Wait... I'm confused. So no more new ships for a while?
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By the way Carno, those 6 Deimos Frigates were easy prey to torpedo barrages from my fleet becasue they only have one launcher to return fire with. Thats what I meant by "five times more fire than they could return." So, their death came fast before they could get in close to beat up my fleet with their close range weapons. Even if they had made it in I have two words for you "Particle Beam" they would have been mincemeat against the Mk.IIs.
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Originally posted by Vice Admiral Ipvicus: **By the way Carno, those 6 Deimos Frigates were easy prey to torpedo barrages from my fleet becasue they only have one launcher to return fire with. Thats what I meant by "five times more fire than they could return." So, their death came fast before they could get in close to beat up my fleet with their close range weapons. Even if they had made it in I have two words for you "Particle Beam" they would have been mincemeat against the Mk.IIs.
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That's utter crap. He had 10 Deimos Frigates to start out with I believe, and they are so freakin armed they make your Prowler look like a baby toy. Stop overestimating your own fleet. Geez...
Originally posted by Jager: **Opining a com chanel to Gnereal Rac he gave full command of what remained of his fleet for the duration of the battle. **
What do you mean? Do you want me to take command of your fleet and post an attack move against the Confederation? Or what?
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Origionally Posted by Captain Carnotaur: OOC: Well Ipvicus, if you didn't notice, Nova's post took a rather small amount of time. Your prowlers and other ships wouldn't have been able to fight very long and thus casualties would have been light, and you wouldn't have been able to retreat. Why retreat when missiles and slamming into your face? Besides, the mercenary fleet arrived from Regulus. So you just want to ignore enemy fire and hyperspace out directly into the Mercenary fleet? How "logical". :rolleyes: Then, just about 15 minutes after the mercenaries started to attack, my armada jumped in, and tore you to shreds.
If Nova's post is revoked, then I'll just edit my post and have the mercenaries jump in along with the rest of my fleet and the Pirates. Either way, you loose.
Now, however, there are some things which can probably be done to fix this debate:
The mercenaries don't kill off one of your cruisers in the beginning attack Nova cuts a little more of the losses from both fleets in the initial attack
That way it explains that the initial strike took only a very short period of time before the Letheans and Pirates jumped in, and would better explain why the Confeds never hypered out; they were blocked, and before they could clear away the Mercenaries, the Pirates and Letheans arrived.
I am not really willing to compromise and allow you to cheat. When I say my fleet is ready to retreat before you can attack me I mean it.
Why don't I explain a few thigs to you. First, my ships can enter hyperspace from anywhere outside of a gravity well, while your ships only come into the system in specific spots. Therefore, if I want to take my fleet to the edge of the system I bloody well can and your ships cant touch me unless I want them to. Second, the only way you can get the jump on me is if I was along your entrance vector, which you can't adjust, but I can and did predict.
On to the next part.
Origionally Posted by Captain Carnotaur: That's utter crap. He had 10 Deimos Frigates to start out with I believe, and they are so freakin armed they make your Prowler look like a baby toy. Stop overestimating your own fleet. Geez...
Read my post and you will notice that I didn't use prowlers to kill them. I'll elaborate below.
Origionally Posted by Captain Carnotaur:
"Deimos" Warfrigate Shields: 190 Armor: 60 Shield Recharge: 80 Speed: 350 Turning: *** Accel.: *** Crew: 97 Mass: 200 Fuel: 6 Jumps Cost: 3,080,000 Weapons: 6 Proton Cannons 6 Proton Turrets 2 Heavy Rocket Launchers + 15 Heavy Rockets 1 Torpedo Launcher + 15 Torpedoes
Kindly explain to me how ten ships, each carrying a single torpedo launcher, can "beat up your fleet" from a distance as they are being pounded by my Figates and Cruisers? I'll admit that your Frigates are heavily armed, but almost all of their weaponry is close quarters stuff that can't hurt a fly when you are beyond its range. Quit making your ships sound more powerful than they really are. Geez...
(This message has been edited by Vice Admiral Ipvicus (edited 05-03-2002).)
Jager, the Defense Fleets are sent at the last moment or when no Atack Fleet is present in the system. Now it is useless.
Grunadulater, here is the Rebel Warbird: Rebel Warbird Speed: 325 Accel: **** Turn: *** Shield: 350 Armor: 60 Fuel: 5 jumps Crew: 200 mass: 230 tons
Weapons: 3 Proton Turrets, 2 Missle Racks: 20, 2 Torpedo-Launcher: 25, 1 rocket launcher: 8, Manta Bay: 4 Mantas.
Cost: 4,76M.
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General Rak that is what I mean. You can control my fleet for the battle. Because I dont know what to do. I'm confused and lost in this battle. So take over and use them but dont losse them
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Wait a sec. Are you saying that the ships I made aren't going to be made? And how much money do I have for each defence fleet. And how much money for my fleet?
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NDJ, I have no idea what you think you are doing, but until the Letheans and Mercs can explain to me how they got their fleet around an entire planet I will not accept any battle that my fleet stays in the Pelagon system. I specificly posted that my fleet was ready to retreat at a moments notice... and that I was far enough away that they couldn't have been able to get to me in time. If this story is so screwed up that people can just entirely diregard a persons posts I may just quit myself.
Grunadulater: I wrote it on the other page, and on EVW, please read. You have 100M for your capital to protect it, 40M for any Coreworlds, 20M for colony worlds.
Here are the ships prices:
Argosy: 982K Defender: 91K Clipper: 170K Lightning: 280K Rapier: 238K Corvette: 1.97M Kestrel: 4.69M Hawk: 107K Manta: 178K Destroyer: 3.3M Rebel Cruiser: 8.28M Escort Carrier: 5.99M Rebellion Warbird: 4.76M
Vice Admiral Ipsvicus, you wrote: In order to make a quick retreat to Regulus if need be Cunningham ordered most of his fleet to move to the opposite side of Quake
You did not say that you hypered out, and it missled the others. But the distance thing is also to consider. But you add less ammo, than all those that came in, etc.
The thing is with all movement possible at all time, and not all people possible at all time, timing becomes problematic.
Until I get the point of knowing what the other participanta think, I hold my decision.
I.
Originally posted by Ne Demord Jamais: ** Vice Admiral Ipsvicus, you wrote: In order to make a quick retreat to Regulus if need be Cunningham ordered most of his fleet to move to the opposite side of Quake
I specificly said that if Carno jumped in I would jump out, specificly! Here I will quote myself:
Origionally Posted by Vice Admiral Ipvicus:
Watching the Jadzians retreat, Admiral Cunningham ordered his ships to hold back and regroup. The Jadzians licked their wounds, and Admiral Cunningham kept a close watch on the sensors to make sure he wasn't jumped by the massive Lethean fleet. In order to make a quick retreat to Regulus if need be Cunningham ordered most of his fleet to move to the opposite side of Quake, while he kept a few Darts on CAP to make sure the Letheans didn't surprise him.
What is so hard to understand about this! I stated in no uncertain terms that I WOULD JUMP OUT IF I WAS ATTACKED! I had an entire freakin PLANET between me and their fleets!!! There is NO WAY they could have attacked me before my fleet jumped to hyperspace.
Whatever, I am going to be gone for the next few days... don't cheat me out of too much territory while I am gone.
Originally posted by Vice Admiral Ipvicus: **What is so hard to understand about this! I stated in no uncertain terms that I WOULD JUMP OUT IF I WAS ATTACKED! I had an entire freakin PLANET between me and their fleets!!! There is NO WAY they could have attacked me before my fleet jumped to hyperspace.
Whatever, I am going to be gone for the next few days... don't cheat me out of too much territory while I am gone. **
Don't worry. Your fleet is safely back in Regulus now.
Rak, well said. I keep The Battle of Pelagon like this.
If all could write like such and lower the importance of each ship, and count them as a whole... I am too theorethical, even in litteracy!
Grunadulater has 85 M left to do anything: add ships to his fleets and DF, hire mercenaries, etc. The Confederation has 75M left to do anything.
Since I will not be able to be on the internet this weekend, I confer to Rak the moderation of this story at 00.00 tonight until I come back, probabily on Sunday night or monday. Skyblade is as ever welcome to put his nose in EVW.
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Originally posted by Jager: **Rac time to change your sing. And nicly done --------- Jager sat up in the medical bed when one of his aids came in and told him the news. About the way rac had defeted the confeds. Well Jager though he had left his fleet in good hands **
Heh - thanks for reminding me!
Do you want me to continue commanding your fleet or do you want to be reinstalled as commander.
Originally posted by Ne Demord Jamais: **Since I will not be able to be on the internet this weekend, I confer to Rak the moderation of this story at 00.00 tonight until I come back, probabily on Sunday night or monday. Skyblade is as ever welcome to put his nose in EVW. **
Okay, gotcha.
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Note to Carno: The Stark class missile boats have 240 missiles and 8 missile launchers each. They are not merely anti-fighter and anti-frigate fire.
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Originally posted by spl_cadet: **Note to Carno: The Stark class missile boats have 240 missiles and 8 missile launchers each. They are not merely anti-fighter and anti-frigate fire. **
You obviously don't know how to fight against ODSs and Mk. IIs. The Stark is very ineffective against them (it is virtual cannon fodder).
looking at your site you still have to put up our tready's. Also stay in command untill I tell ya. I'm still trying to figure out what to do. I need more cash to fix my fleet