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Well, the cycle on the Nova forum isn't complete yet, is it? We have "What Override did better than Nova" and "What Nova did better than Override", but neither of them really hit the mark, do they?
The fact of the matter is, as I see it, that although Override as an 'improvement' on the original, and Nova is an 'improvement' on Override, they are all different in their own ways. EV had a very serious plot, which is beautiful in it's own simplicity, but as a friend of mine said, it's very lighthearted. EV:O, on the other hand, has much more basic humour in it (but less subtle humour), and it is, generally, larger. However, it forces you into making a choice of your government. For example, in EV, you're perfectly fine in a Kestrel. In EV:O, it's much more likely that you're going to end up in a government ship. Also, the EV:O ships were somewhat blockier and more colourful, which some people might dislike.
And now EV:N. The storyline is huge, detailed and realistic, you aren't thrown into piloting a government ship, since their are some very good civilian ships. But still, it's impossible not to avoid becoming part of a major government, and if you try not to, there's nothing to do in the game other than get blown up by Arachnids.
Looking on all three at once, I'd have to say that EV:N is definately the best of the three. Override is the most mysterious, and also allows for some very interesting arguments (whereas in EV, very few people prefer Confeds, and in Nova, there's no question that Polaris rule). But my favourite of all of them has to be the classic EV, where almost every ship is gorgeous, and every system seems special in it's own subtle way.
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I loved the pirates the most in the orginal. The renegades in EVO were just seemed sort of lame to me. Both the North and South only used three types of ships at the most. In EV I was attacked by pirate scoutships! It just made it extremely fun.
I like the pirates in EVN because they are more challenging(untill you get a good cap ship), but they only have two planets. There is also a lack of independent planets that were always regularly harassed by pirates, and in the systems where pirates/marauders appear regularly, you have to fight the feds to get a piece of the action.
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Originally posted by SilverDragon: ** Looking on all three at once, I'd have to say that EV:N is definately the best of the three. Override is the most mysterious, and also allows for some very interesting arguments (whereas in EV, very few people prefer Confeds, and in Nova, there's no question that Polaris rule). But my favourite of all of them has to be the classic EV, where almost every ship is gorgeous, and every system seems special in it's own subtle way.
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I think the one thing I loved most about EV was the ships, for some reason they were just the coolest even if they were fairly simple graphically speaking. As for Override the mystery of exploring was my big kicker (imagine my suprise when suddenly I ran into my first Miranu ship when exploring the void between UE and Miranu space, didn't even know there was another race aside from Vionian and UE!) and for awhile Override was my favorite. Also Override was much more expandable. However for just roaming around aimlessly EV definetly gets the mark as it isn't all that hard to get a decent ship and go pirate bashing. Nova in some ways was a let down because while the universe was a larger you knew where everything was (if you hadn't gotten spoilers here, it said straight out where everyone was in the intro) so running into some unknown race was not going to happen. Plus it didn't seem like there were many random planets abandoned or mysterious or whatever to expand upon. Particularily in Vell-Os or Wraith space. But overall the graphics were stunning, the game play was great (love the plot lines), and the new options to play with in plug creation are w00table. Can't wait to use Port Authority to bring over EV and starting modifying things.
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I agree with you on that about almost everything. Ya hit the nail on the head, except for this:
Originally posted by SilverDragon: **< snip> there's no question that Polaris rule <snip> **
I don't think Nova has been out long enough to detect a significant amount of people who like the Polaris best yet, even though I would predict that the Polaris will end up being the favored government. If not them, than probably the Vell-os.
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Well, I would like to note that probably a lot of people like EV because of that good old EV-feel. Now, if EVN was released first, that would be different, but anyway....
I like all three of them equally, because they all have their own good points and bad points, though I bet EVN will be played the most for a while until the initial "Oh-my-gosh-it's-out!!!!!!!!" fever has died down a little.
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I am a true, dedicated follower of the original EV. It's still the classic game that stole me away all those years ago. Everything else has seemed like more of the same. Or at least that's what I thought. One thing really caught my attention in Nova: The Vell-os mission string involving slavery and the Bureau (sp?). I was a little bit surprised and extremely amazed by the way they handled that entire string. Unable to buy ships. Unable to buy outfits. Unable to even fly the ship of your choice. No BBS to fall back on. No other mission offers. True to the meaning of the word, you become a slave. Playing through that string really hit me in a way that no other EV storyline has. There's a feeling of total helplessness the whole time. After 5 years of Escape-Velocity, I felt like I'd finally found something new and intriguing.
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Originally posted by Luke: **I agree with you on that about almost everything. Ya hit the nail on the head, except for this:
I simply meant technologically. As for the Vell-os, their AI ships aren't quite as dangerous as the Polaris ones, I've found. Darts fall to concentrated fire, Arrows are nothing if you're careful, and...Javelins...well, easy enough in a Polaris warship, which is what I mean.
But with EVO, you have Voinians, UE, Azdgari, Igadzra, Zidagar and Zachit, and I bet there isn't one comparison there that everyone will agree on.
Originally posted by SilverDragon: ** But with EVO, you have Voinians, UE, Azdgari, Igadzra, Zidagar and Zachit, and I bet there isn't one comparison there that everyone will agree on.
That is the whole point. Different governments for different styles and attitudes of players.
Fed-for people who feel malicious and evil Polaris-for people who want to be benevolent, but also want to be able to lay the smack down Auroran-for people who want to beat on their siblings Pirate-for people who feel betrayed, and want to rise from the ashes and kick some ass Vell-Os-for everyone who hates slavery Rebel-for people who want to fight the power and government control.
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Originally posted by Luke: I don't think Nova has been out long enough to detect a significant amount of people who like the Polaris best yet
Screw that, I've been playing the Polaris storyline for quite a while, so I can say very confidently that I like the Polaris best. Striker rules any other fighter-type vessel.
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Originally posted by ProtoformX: **That is the whole point. Different governments for different styles and attitudes of players.
What about a government that caters for players who want to sit on their arses in front of their computers? That would cater for most of us.
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You've lost me. When was I talking about which governments suit which people? I was talking about opinions on power.
Originally posted by SilverDragon: **
you forgot the Emalgha and Hinwar. sure they are not very big (storyline and systems) but they are there and they are part of a central objective
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Originally posted by SilverDragon: **You've lost me. When was I talking about which governments suit which people? I was talking about opinions on power.
Sorry, after re-reading your post I guess I read into something that you never wrote. Please accept my appologies.
Originally posted by U.E. Admiral: **you forgot the Emalgha and Hinwar. sure they are not very big (storyline and systems) but they are there and they are part of a central objective **
I was merely selecting a group of races that I believed were all equal. Now, I don't think many people would argue the Emalgha and Hinwar are as good as the rest?
Protoform; you don't have to apologise. That's just plain silly.
Originally posted by SilverDragon: **I was merely selecting a group of races that I believed were all equal. Now, I don't think many people would argue the Emalgha and Hinwar are as good as the rest?:p **
Hinwar 0wnz! Uhh... as soon as they have some ships of their own...
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Yawn Boy, this board is slowing down... But eh, does anyone know where I can find OS 9.0 so I can download and play Nova? Oh, and from all the plotlines I've read I like the Vell-os the best.
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Vell-os... w00tmindpowers!
Yeah I played EV:O once and the ships are better graphicly. However, they aren't as cool as the EV ones.
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Originally posted by Jimbob: Yawn Boy, this board is slowing down... But eh, does anyone know where I can find OS 9.0 so I can download and play Nova?
Mac OS 9 is not available except by buying it. Do you really need it, though? It isn't the minimum requirement for EV Nova. What system do you have?
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I noticed one thing that nobody's mentioned that makes EV:N, in my opinion at least, better. I'm talking about the old monty python tactic of fighting, where you run away and blast the other ship because of your imporved range. After I mastered this skill, EVO and the original EV were no longer fun... I mean, I destroyed two Voinian Destroyers and a Voinian Heavy Cruiser with my scoutship in my first few days of playing EVO... it just wasn't challenging (the crescent ships were a little harder, but not much). The only thing you needed in the first two EV games to dominate in combat was a little speed.
The way the weapons and AI's in EV Nova are designed, however, it seems to make this tactic almost useless when trying to fight larger capitol ships. I mean, I can still take out a Aurorian Frigate or Cruiser or whatever the heck it is with a Pirate Valkyre, but it takes alot more work and new tactics. I tried it on Federation ships too, and they either ran away right after expending their missiles or killed me. This represents a whole new evolution in the EV universe... you can't just learn a little trick and use it over and over to kill everyone in sight. I think it's great.
I still like the whole "classic" EV feel. Nothing beats that feeling you got the first time you beat the aliens and get to fly off in your brand new Rebel Destroyer. I really haven't played much of EVO... it just didn't feel as fun as some of the super-huge plugins for the original EV. Also, it didn't run too quick on my old computer.... mabey thats why.
My personal favorite peice that puts Nova above either of the other two games are the little bits of added realism. The pirate ships finally disable you instead of just blowing you away... how do the damn people expect to make any money if they don't board you?
Also, every once in a while, a ship will sit and ask you for help refueling, which for some reason, really makes me like the game, though I think I've noticed the ship is always a Valkyrie Class I. I also like how pirates that are less powerful then you will often not go hostile, or will go for an easier more lucrative target first. Very enjoyable.
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