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Mac: basically 4 drill bombs=trinity cannon Mac:Add me to your list of players please Mac:Why are you still here!? Go update your weapons yards!
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Originally posted by BariSaxGuy5: Mac: basically 4 drill bombs=trinity cannon
K, that works. Does it work on shields too? You said a lot about armor at first, but nothing about shields.
Originally posted by BariSaxGuy5: Mac:Add me to your list of players please
You're already there.
(quote)Originally posted by BariSaxGuy5: **Mac:Why are you still here!? Go update your weapons yards!:p
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they go through the shields and drill into the hull, but they're too slow to hit anything but big ships (Cruiser and up).
Originally posted by BariSaxGuy5: **they go through the shields and drill into the hull, but they're too slow to hit anything but big ships (Cruiser and up).
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Sounds good to me.
I'm rooting for the Huskers too, Mac. Never cared for the Hurricanes...
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Okay Captain Skyblade, work on the Dreden Verdica Class Carrier is complete. Don't have time to post tonight, will post tomorrow. Any other ships/weapons needed?
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Originally posted by Macavenger: **Quality over quantity. Ours are simple turrets, yours are a beam better than the Alien's big red beam from the original. Doing a direct statistical comparison (something I rarely do, since we don't want to get too bogged down with numbers), the 50 F-P Beams on your Alien Dreadnought have roughly twice the firepower of the Republic's 500 turrets.
For the rest: Shields+Armor: somewhat better than Republic Speed: nearly double Weapons: 1000 Seeker Modules have at least the damage of 2000 Torpedoes, and with an equivalent 50 Launchers they pump that damage out faster (as each unit does more, and units fire same speed). You also have the Drill Bombs, which can apparently do a lot of damage to armor with one bomb (I've never seen even a relative value, but it seems to be one-two shot(s) kill), and the TLRTs, which the Republic has nothing to match. Tractors may not do damage, but they can really screw up a ship. I'd have to say roughly 220,000,000 on this, a lot of which is based on the utterly overwhelming turrets. If you want to cut those by about half, it would fall to more in the 170-180 million range.
If anyone's wondering, systems like this, comparing every aspect to the most comparable ship I can find (and often others - I ran some of these numbers against the Macross also, and even a few against the Liberty without mentioning), is a reasonable amount of my pricing system.
What do I have to do to make the ship about 105,000,000 to 110,000,000?
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Originally posted by Azdara Ace: **Okay Captain Skyblade, work on the Dreden Verdica Class Carrier is complete. Don't have time to post tonight, will post tomorrow. Any other ships/weapons needed?
Excellent! Look forward to seeing it.
If you like, you're welcome to create a new graphic for the Dreden Minelayer...
(quote)Originally posted by Captain Skyblade: **I'm rooting for the Huskers too, Mac.:p Now that they're down 34-7 and have no chance, I'm hoping Miami will make it a really impressive blowout to show up the BCS. Oregon so belonged in the Rose Bowl. We rolled over Colorado, and frankly, from what I've seen, could easily have done the same to Nebraska...
grunadulater - probably more than you want to. Best suggestion would be to compare it to the Alien Carrier, and try to make it about a third better than that.
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Can you please explain to me how the Fusion Particle Beams are better than 11 Turbolaser turrets? (thats the ratio of turrets ours:yours) Im not being snide its something not on the site which I would like to understand.
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Originally posted by Vice Admiral Ipvicus: **Can you please explain to me how the Fusion Particle Beams are better than 11 Turbolaser turrets? (thats the ratio of turrets ours:yours) Im not being snide its something not on the site which I would like to understand.
Simple: Beams > Turrets. You realize that, in EV, beams are firing and doing damage continuosly (once per frame, perhaps?) whereas cannons and turrets fire discreet shots. The site doesn't really show reload times, however by beams it's instantaneous by default - with cannons it's much slower than that. An F/P Beam does slightly more than a single bolt from a Turbolaser, and does it about 16 times as often. I wouldn't expect you to be able to calculate things that precisely, of course, but beams are inherently much better than cannons because of how continuously they hit. Plus, beams generally don't miss as much, those that's not particularly a factor; I've been assuming that most of the cannons have a speed comparable to the Phase Turret in Override.
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Originally posted by Macavenger: **I've been assuming that most of the cannons have a speed comparable to the Phase Turret in Override.
Yes, that's what I had in mind regarding the plasma energy weapons...
heh okay it all makes since now, thanks for the wisdom... I need infusions occasionally (but not often).
Okay, here she is, the Dreden Verdica Class Carrier. It is based on the Titan, but is much bulkier, having a greatly enlarged undercarriage(is that the right word?) so that it can hold a much more substantial amount of fighters. This does have drawbacks, however. It is slower, harder to manuver, and not as fuel efficient. I'll get to work on that minelayer soon. I already have some rough sketches...
Originally posted by Azdara Ace: **Okay, here she is, the Dreden Verdica Class Carrier. It is based on the Titan, but is much bulkier, having a greatly enlarged undercarriage(is that the right word?) so that it can hold a much more substantial amount of fighters. This does have drawbacks, however. It is slower, harder to manuver, and not as fuel efficient. I'll get to work on that minelayer soon. I already have some rough sketches...
Wow, pretty cool! I like it... Take your time on the Minelayer.
Stats for the Verdica class Dreden Carrier: Shields: 5,000 Armor: 5,000 Speed: 175 Acceleration: •• Turning: •• Fuel: 6 Jumps Price: 100,000,000 credits (estimate) 50 Plasma Beam Turrets 50 Turreted Plasma Stinger Launchers 5000 Plasma Stinger Rockets. 40 Heavy Fighters 40 Crickets
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Originally posted by Captain Skyblade: Price: 100,000,000 credits (estimate)
Hey, you're getting better... I was going to say 95 million.
(quote)Originally posted by Macavenger: **Hey, you're getting better...;)
If you say 95 million, then 95 million it is.
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Work on the Dreden Porcuipine(what's the real spelling of this?) Class Minelayer is underway, and it will hopefully be posted here by the end of the night.
(quote)Originally posted by Azdara Ace: **Work on the Dreden Porcuipine(what's the real spelling of this?) Class Minelayer is underway, and it will hopefully be posted here by the end of the night.:) Cute nickname...
Sounds good. Looking forward to seeing it. Also, could you post that graphic we never used? I might have some use for it...
Are we ever gonna get a price on that Alien Heavy Frigate that BariSax designed? We will surely want to get out hands on some when page 7 comes around.
Originally posted by Vice Admiral Ipvicus: **Are we ever gonna get a price on that Alien Heavy Frigate that BariSax designed? We will surely want to get out hands on some when page 7 comes around.
Page 2, actually...
The Dreden Minelayer also hasn't been priced. Once again, we'll have to wait for Mac.
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