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Originally posted by ErsadtSF: **Despite their tech, wont this be unfair if the aliens have no representatives?:eek: **
I think Captain Skyblade is going to be dealing with the Aliens. He's still a rebel, but he's setting up the alien stuff and I'll probably be the one to fight them.
Skyblade, my plan for continuing the offensive at this point was to leave the Confederation alone for a bit and go smash some pirates, but if you really want I can try to capture the Pollux system.
Since David is apparently leaving (and I don't blame you David, this is getting weird, even by my standards), I may work on keeping the map up to date.
A new full time Confederate representative would also be a good thing, I think, because I'm not totally sure what General Rak is doing. ErsadtSF, if you want it, I'd say that job is probably yours.
One other note for Captain Skyblade: I think we have more Assault Carriers than you're giving us credit for. Remember, they're basically Rebel Destroyers with fighter racks added and a couble of other modifications. Doesn't take long at all. I had 50 Mk. IIs in my fleet, so I'm pretty sure we had more than you think.
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Originally posted by Macavenger: **
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You're right...Guess I haven't listed enough Assault Carriers. Maybe I should boost the number up somewhat next time I list navial numbers.
As for getting political with the aliens, I don't know about that. We can't even contact their ships, we don't know what the aliens look like, they obviously won't speak a language we know of, and we don't even know where they are from!
Mac- Go ahead and trash some pirates if you want until given further orders from Rebel High Command. But be on the lookout for Confederation activity.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RNN - "In other news today, Rebel military vessels making raids in the Sol system reported some disturbing news. The Confederation Navy is re-constructing Stardock Alpha, in which the original was destroyed some time ago by Rebel warships. The new Stardock is said to be considerably larger, and contains hundreds of hangers capable of producing large numbers of warships. No additional information is available at the moment, the the RNN will keep you posted." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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I left Admiral Vaten, Sattomax's old character with a couple of promotions, in charge, I think he can handle things. I'm planning on trashing Evildrome, if you think I'll run into the Alien on my way, let me know at the appropriate time.
Originally posted by Macavenger: (Bif you think I'll run into the Alien on my way, let me know at the appropriate time.
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You likely won't spot it, since the alien battlecruiser was spotted deep inside the Serapis Nebula, where it is safe from sensor scans. And if even if you did run into it, your fleet would likely be decimated.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = RNN - "The Rebel News Network reports that President Navarone has decided to step up on patrols around the Serapis Nebula, and to report immediately any sighting of alien activity. So far, the battlecruiser that was found days ago by a recon pilot has not been seen again. Further updates to come." = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
If it's only got 2 Heavy Fusion Beams on Turrets, my fleet would be more likely to decimate it, since it'll have 10 or more Supercruisers, and they have 3 each.
(quote)Originally posted by Macavenger: **If it's only got 2 Heavy Fusion Beams on Turrets, my fleet would be more likely to decimate it, since it'll have 10 or more Supercruisers, and they have 3 each.:) As far as I'm concerned, anyone should avoid contact with the vessel.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Jonathan Navarone glanced at an additional photo the Lewis Riker has brought before him. Only this time, the president didn't seem as shocked.
Riker was the first to speak. "Our recon patrols once again came across the aliens. Recon team number fourteen, composed of ten manta fighters, found unscanable targets on the radar. After investigating that unreconizable crafts, they were ambushed by these alien fighters."
As president Navarone took careful look at the alien fighter, he spoke. "Did our recon team make it back?"
"Well sir, it's obvious atleast someone made it back, because we otherwise wouldn't have this photograph. Eight out of ten mantas were destroyed, and the other two funtioncal. The pilot who brought us this picture said the alien fighters were slow, but their weapons cut through their ships like fire through paper. The rest of his squadron engaged the fighters, but the survivers said turbolasers, missiles, and pod rockets were seemingly harmless against the fighters. And another thing. These alien fighters don't have shields, but amazingly advanced armor that humans could only dream of building."
Jonathan Navarone now scanned the picture with a magnifying glass. "These fighters look nothing like the ones we've previously engaged."
Riker continued. "Correct sir. This fighter is all the more powerful, somewhat slower, larger, and extremely heavilly armed. The heavy fusion beams mounted on these fighters are also different. One surviving pilot said a single hit from one immediately destroyed a manta."
The president still studied the photo curiously. "What is this round projectile emerging from the mouth of this alien fighter...in the background?"
"A new seeker drone of some sort, according to one of the pilots. Since they have a slow turn rate (the seeker drones), the pilot said none actually hit the mantas. But these seeker drones are incredibly fast, dwarfing our torpedoes in terms of speed. We have no idea what kind of damage these new drones can cause, but we can be sure they would mean certain death to our warships."
Navarone now sat back and put his hands behind his head. "That fact that just an alien fighter carries the most deadly weapons in the universe is disturbing. This really makes me wander how heavilly armed the battlecruiser is."
Riker again spoke. "Perhaps we should inform Admiral Skyblade and the other Rebel officials to go ahead and start their mission to earth?"
"Yes, yes, tell him immediately," Navarone said swiftly. "We don't have time to waste. Perhaps if Admiral Skyblade brings these photographs before the Confederation, it will prove that this is by no means a joke."
"Yes sir," Riker replied. "I'll inform you of any additional information."
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= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Roberto Nelson, CEO of the Rebel Arms Corporation, threw his bundle of graphs and wireframes down on the table of the president's lounge. He was the business-type person, and immediately went straight to the point.
"After roughly a month of hard work, the RAC has completed the designs for the requested Rebel Carrier."
President Navarone set his coffee down on the table, and looked curiously at the papers. "Interesting...It's extremely agressive-looking."
Nelson, happy that the president already approved of atleast the design, continued. "I'm sure that just by looking at the graph, you can't tell how large this vessel is. Once built, if it ever is, it will be 5000 meters long, which would make it the largest ship ever built in the galaxy we know of."
President Navarone choked on his coffee. After spilling some of the liquid on his shirt and swallowing the rest, he replied. "5000 meters!? That's rediculous...I will not be willing to put such large amounts of resources into a ship of that size."
Nelson, who let out a quiet chuckle after watching the president choke on his coffee, went on. "But wait. You asked us to design a carrier, and that's exactly what we did. Since I was told by Lewis Riker that a ship was needed to carry large numbers of fighters, that's what we focused on. This carrier design has ten fighter bays, each of which can hold one hundred Rebel fighters with ease."
The president's face then turned to that of surprise. "So you're saying this warship could carry 1000 Rebel fighters?"
"Precisely, Mr. President."
"And how long would it take to contruct such a massive warship?"
Nelson started running through math on a sheet of paper before replying. "At the current time, the Rebellion seems to be an industrial giant in terms of ship manufacturing. If we were to start building this ship with a few thousand workers, we could have it done in roughly two or three years."
Navarone stroked his chin. "We can't afford to wait that long."
Nelson collected his thoughts for a moment before continuing. "It could easilly be completed much sooner if you are willing to devote half of the RAC shipbuilders and machinery from building smaller warships to constructing this giant vessel."
"But wouldn't our cruiser or destroyer numbers decrease in doing so?"
"To an extent, but they wouldn't decrease, but likely still increase at a slower rate. The Rebellion is still churning out so many warships that the Confederation can't handle our fleets. If you ask for my advice Mr. President, I recommend you devote half of the RAC warship builders to this project."
President Navarone leaned back against the wall of his lounge, thinking of what to say. "Alright, Mr. Nelson, I hearby authorize you to contruct this Rebel Carrier. Half of the RAC shipbuilders are now shifted from cruiser and destroyer production to the construction of this new carrier."
"Thankyou sir," Nelson responded. "You won't regret your decision. I promise we will have this project complete in under four months."
"Goodluck," Navarone said. "You're going to need it."
With that, Roberto Nelson left the president alone in his lounge. The President then began to laugh when he realized Nelson was blind to what he had in mind. Nelson spoke ok crushing the Confederation with this carrier, but Navarone planned on using the vessel against the dreaded aliens. But the news of discovering aliens wouldn't be top-secret much longer...
Navarone then glanced at the charts of the carrier Nelson had left on his table:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = "Rebel Carrier" from the Rebel Arms Corporation - - - - - Shield- 10,450 Armor- 3,510 Crew- 6, 309 members Space- 2500 tons Cargo- 500 tons Turn- Sluggish Speed- 105 -Standard Weapons- 2,500 turbolaser turrets 100 turreted torpedo tubes 10,000 guided torpedoes 100 turreted missile launchers 12,000 guided missiles 10 Fighter Bays (primarilly designed to house mantas, firefoxes, and star cobras) 1000 Fighters 2 top-secret drivers currently being designed by the RAC. - Information for the carrier is not yet final -
-Roberto Nelson - CEO, Rebels Arms Corporation - = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Originally posted by Macavenger: **A new full time Confederate representative would also be a good thing, I think, because I'm not totally sure what General Rak is doing. ErsadtSF, if you want it, I'd say that job is probably yours.
Sure, but i wont be able to post until tomorrow.(28th)
Hmm, this topic might go up to 10 pages....
------------------ If its not forced, ill do it!
Alan Rak watched as his mighty fleet entered the vicinity of Liberty Station. Suddenly, a huge fleet of bounty hunters hypered in next to him. Just as he was about to hail the bounty hunters, a confederation warfleet entered the system. Immediately he had his fleet launch all their torpedoes. The bounty hunters did you same. In the unexpected hail of fire, 3/4 of the confed fleet was destroyed. While the confederate commander was trying to regain control of the battle, the 50 modified kestrels in his fleet went on auto pilot. They easily took out the remaining portion of the confed warfleet, then joined up with General Rak's fleet --- --- --- As he landed his massive fleet on the headquarters of the Atinoda Corporation, thousands of marines burst forth from kestrel landing ships. They easily secured the base. Rak had sucessfully organized a coup-de-etat. But now, he was in real trouble. --- --- --- Rak collected his fleet, and started on a course for Palshife. As he landed, his ship was surrounded by hundreds of rebel soldiers. He got off the ship, and asked to speak to Mr. Navarone. === === === Let's delete the plasma charge turret, and replace it with the proton turret. Now I ask you if I can become a rebel. I offer you the blueprints of the osprey, and the resources of Atinoda Corporation and The mines of Liberty Station. --- --- --- ISN Network- As his first move as Chairman of the Atinoda Corporation, Alan Rak has officially purchased liberty station. He gets all of the mines, and the secret astex base there (more on that later).
Also, you said the alien fighters had extreme armour? Then the flak turret would own them (you can only get it if you let me become a rebel).
President Navarone, who had come out in public to meat General Rak, looked the man over. "So," the president said, "you are willing to offer us the designs of the flak turret and Confederation osprey in exchange for your joining the Rebellion?"
Rebel officials adviced Navarone not to take the offer to swiftly.
The president continued. "Since we have only heard rumors of your independent fleet, we want to give you a little...task...before you are considered an active member of the Rebel Navy. Meet me tommorow in my lounge at 14:30 hours, and you'll get your assignment to prove your loyalty to the Rebellion."
= = = = = = = = = =
"We must send a large fleet to the Serapis Nebula," Lewis Riker, chief of defense stated. "Our small fighter patrols that are currently stationed there can't do anything but hope they aren't killed by the seemingly indestructable aliens."
"Yes," president Navarone replied, "But you must take to mind that we could easilly lose a large fleet in doing so, especially if the battlecruiser is sighted yet again."
"But sir, it's important that we atleast guard the perimeter of the nebula with capital ships. Should the aliens launch a large offensive, we are as good as dead in our current state."
Jonathan Navarone knew that Riker had a good point, and he couldn't continue arguing against it. "Very well, Riker. Send the 13th Battlegroup to the perimeter of the Serapis Nebula with Admiral Vaten in command. Hopefully, if they aliens see we know of their existence, they will remain in the nebula."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Ship's Computer - Admiral Vaten - "R.N.S. Intrepid" - - - - - - - - - - Navial log of 13th Rebel Battlegroup- -30 "C" class cruisers -02 supercruisers -10 escort carriers -100 destroyers -20 firefoxes -250 mantas -125 star cobras = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
"Riker, I've got some good news," Roberto Nelson, CEO of the Rebel Arms Corporation stated. "RAC began work on the new CB-17 carrier a month ago, and we've finished a third of the vessel in a month, which places us a little ahead of schedule."
"Excellent," Riker said with excitement in his voice. "Keep this up, and the Rebellion's flagship will be complete in no time at all. I will inform President Navarone of your progress."
- - - - - - - - - -
Rak meets Skyblade in the bar at 14:30. Before Skyblade can say anything, Rak hands him a folder full of the plans for the replacement space station in Sol. He also hands him a picture and full schedule of the Confed Defense Minister. "What do I have to do?" --- --- --- Your move next, Skyblade. Also, you might find that in the above text I have hinted at a possible mission.
Originally posted by General Rak: **Rak meets Skyblade in the bar at 14:30. Before Skyblade can say anything, Rak hands him a folder full of the plans for the replacement space station in Sol. He also hands him a picture and full schedule of the Confed Defense Minister. "What do I have to do?" --- --- --- Your move next, Skyblade. Also, you might find that in the above text I have hinted at a possible mission.
(Keep in mind that it is Navarone you are meeting with, not Skyblade. And I see what kind of mission you are hinting at)
Navarone receives the new Stardock Alpha blueprints and defense schedule with awe. "Tell me, General Rak, I'm curious as to how you got a hold of these. Either you are an experienced spy, or you are a Confederation official who has defected."
After seeing the information Rak handed him, Navarone knew what Rak had in mind.
"Your mission would be a dangerous one, but I must turn it down. Perhaps I should inform you that Admiral Skyblade is currently on his way to earth on a peaceful political mission. Should the Rebellion make a strike on the Stardock Alpha project, and assasinate the Confederation Minister of Defense, Admiral Skyblade's fleet would be destroyed immediately. For now, attacks on the Confederation are currently being halted, because of top-secret reasons."
President Navarone leaned back in his chair, running through his thoughts. "Instead," he continued, "I'd like for you to make a raid on Pirate's Cove. Itellegence reports that a large pirate fleet is mobilizing there, and your orders are to destroy the fleet at all costs before it begins wrecking havoc on Rebel supply lines. That is all, and good luck."
(weeks later)
"President Navarone," Riker stated, "you were right afterall."
"What do you mean?" The president responded. "Have a seat."
Before Riker even seated himself, he began speaking. "The entire 13th Battlefleet was just wiped out."
President Navarone gasped. "When, where? The entire fleet has been destroyed?"
"Correct, Mr. President," Riker replied. "We don't even know what kind of ships destroyed them, but we can be sure it was the aliens. Admiral Vatan was leading the 13th Battlegroup around the Nebula when he was attacked by unscanable hostile targets. The only thing we heard from him was a short radio transmission just before he was killed."
Navarone breathed deeply. "Admiral Vatan...Dead...What next? I suppose all my best commanders will be slaughtered before long."
Riker brought in a disk and placed it into the president's computer. "This disk contains the radio message from the R.N.S. Intrepid."
- Radio Message -
"This is Admiral Vatan, requesting immediate assistan- (explosians in the background) aliens have ambushed fleet. It's a massacre! We need imm- (large explosians rocking ship) Ship is disabled, hundreds of (static) swarming us. Weapons are offline! Armor is- (fusion beam heard tearing through bridge, ship exploding, end of message)
"That's all we have, sir," Riker explained. "There were only two Rebel warfleets within distance of receiving the message, but when they arrived, nothing was found, not even aliens."
"Riker," the president said, sounding somewhat saddened, "if you listened closely to the end of that radio transmission, you would have noticed that the weapon was that of a large fusion beam of some type, more deadly then the heavy fusion beam. Only the alien battlecruiser carries these weapons, atleast that we know of."
"You're right sir," Riker agreed. "They 13th Battlefleet must have been attacked by the battlecruiser. It's perfect evidence."
"Well now," Navarone said, "now that I've lost one of my best Admirals, I'm curious to see how General Rak performs his mission at Pirate's Cove. Should he succeed, and prove his loyalty to the Rebellion, he would be my choice pick as a replacement for Admiral Vatan."
A lone Astex bulk freighter entered the NGC-1776 system. Captain Winterwhagger was beat tired, and left the bridge for his cabin. The XO expertly piloted the ship in to land... --- --- --- Four Kestrel-Ds surged up from inside the hollow asteriod they were hiding in. They easily disabled the freighter, and hailed the ship to prepare it for boarding. --- --- --- The marine platoon burst into the bulk freighter. They were met by interior neutron fire emenating from a defense turret. One marine was slightly injured, but quickly recovered. Commander Anton of the 6th Atinodian Guard cocked his hand back and tossed a photon grenade into the hallway. In a solid thump the turret was knocked off its base. With in five minutes the freighter was theirs. The contents of the freighter were quietly dumped in another hollow asteriod. === === === This is part of the Astex superweapon plot...
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = RNN - "Our top story today covers a major accomplishment by the Rebel Arms Corporation. Roberto Nelson, CEO of RAC, successfully completed construction of the largest-known warship in the galaxy in just over three months. Using the largest force of manpower ever gathered to construct a single warship, the ship would have otherwise taken years to complete. Though the Rebel government currently won't release the ship data to public for security reasons, Nelson said that the new carrier should instantly take charge of battles with ease. The carrier, which President Navarone named the "R.N.S. Nelson" in honor of the Rebel Arms Corporation CEO, is now in official service with the Rebellion Navy." = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
The newly-formed 19th Navial Division seen outside Pashlife. The carrier is being escorted by large numbers of Rebel destroyers. The carrier itself houses roughly one-thousand fighters, and more turreted weapons then has ever been fitted to a single ship.
As General Rak exits the lounge, he leaves a message for Navarone. It reads,"New superweapon under development at Liberty Station. Many drawbacks, but may be the aliens undoing." --- --- --- Rak proceeds to enter his flagship, the ASN Visionary. It is a custom built SuperKestrel. It has the following specs-
Ship Name: Atinoda CR-22E Superkestrel Cost: 20.000.000 credits
Speed: 240 Accel: Average Turn: Average Shields: 800 Armor: 750 Guns: Maximum of 5 Turrets:Maximum of 4 Space: 0 tons Cargo: 100 tons Fuel: 20 jumps Length: 200 m Mass: 700 tons Crew: 200
Standard Weapons- 3 Proton Turrets 1 Flak Turret 2 Torpedo Launchers & 50 torps 2 Whacker Missile Launcher & 50 Whacker missiles 1 Missile Jammer 2 Swivel Javelin Pods & 999 Javelins 3 Lightning fighter-bombers
Notes- The ship is highly automated, giving extra room from the lack of personel support systems. --- --- --- His fleet is composed the following way- 300 Kestrels 1 SuperKestrel 1000 Lightnings 700 Rapiers 500 Corvettes 50 Rapier Carriers --- --- --- You didn't give me any recon on the fleet in Evildrome, so I will assume the following-
50 Kestrels 400 Lightnings 300 Clippers 100 Argosies 200 Corvettes --- --- --- As soon as he enters the Evildrome system, Fak orders all of his ships to fire topedoes at the kestrels and corvettes. Catching the pirates surprise, the Visionary empties its entire load of whacker missiles at the lightnings. 15 lightnings go down instantly, and 10 other damaged ones get destroyed in the crossfire. Meanwhile, the pirates have lost all of their kestrels and 100 corvettes. The remaining pirate corvettes begin unloading missiles on the rapiers, killing 85. Twenty five more were lost in the ensuing heavy rocket dump. Another round of fire went off and 80 corvettes were lost. The remaining corvettes concentrate fire on the rapier carriers, destroying 8 of them before all of the corvettes were space dust.
At that moment, a barrage of 1000 missiles slammed into Rak's corvettes, Following that, a massive amount of heavy rockets smashed Rak's kestrels. At that point Rak's 1000 lightnings descend and murder the pirate lightnings. The remaining clippers and argosies are mopped up with minimal losses. --- --- --- Debrief- All pirates lost Rak's Remaining fleet- 265 Kestrels 1 SuperKestrel 1000 Lightnings 590 Rapiers 300 Corvettes 42 Rapier Carriers --- --- --- Rak heads back to Palshife, and enters Navarones office. === === === Okay Navarone, your move next That post took a while!
Correction- Location = Pirates Cove
Macavenger meanwhile leads a fleet of 40 Supercruisers against Evildrome. The pirates were not at all prepared for a raid like this, not that they could be. Forty supercruisers was likely the most powerful taskforce ever assembled by mankind. Swooping in on the pirates at Evildrome, they never had a chance. with the moons defense fleet included, the pirates had about 300 ships, from Argosies to Rapiers and some Kestrels and Corvettes. The battle was probably also the greatest case of overkill in recorded history, but it worked well as the Rebels didn't lose a man. After destroying all the pirate's ships in the system, the Cruisers took up position around the moon of Evildrome and burned off all the pirates structures, then returned to Apollo, to prepare for a similar raid on New Antigua.
"Ark maties, we have been massacred twice in the last day!" said the Pirate Leader, "we will assemble all the remaining pirates at New Cydonia. New Cydonian forces included. Then we will raid Lethe Prime. The final battle shall come at the backwater port of Adhara. Slaughter all he ships ye can!" And so they departed... --- --- --- "Sir. Advanced Sensor reports indicated a huge pirate fleet assembled at New Cydonia" Stated an Atinoda security officer.
"Send back-up to Adhara, I belive they may be at risk." replied Dr. Keystone Macheyra, commander in chief of the Southwestern Theater for Atinoda. --- --- --- The pirate/cydonian fleet consist of the following- 1000 Argosies 1000 Clippers 300 Defenders 700 Lightnings 600 Rapiers 400 Corvettes 90 Kestrels --- --- --- The Atinoda fleet (the only one other than Rak's) consists of the following ships- 300 Kestrels 1000 Lightnings 100 Ospreys 150 Class D Kestrels --- --- --- The intelligence was quickly passed onto Rebel High Command, with a call for back-up.
"General Rak," President Navarone said in the way of greetings, "I'm proud of your performance at Pirate's Cove. According to recon reports and scanner sweeps, it seems as though you took the entire pirate fleet by surprise, since very few pirate vessels have been seen in the system sense. If you keep this up, the pirates will no longer pose a threat to our freighter and supply convoys."
President Navarone paced around the lounge before continuing. "But, the pirates are not yet reduced to a small band of savages. They have mobilized a large force of warships and fighters of various types in the Aries system, orbiting Cydonia. We can't send your fleet alone to combat the pirate fleet, since your losses would be to high. Since you've proved yourself a loyal member of the Rebellion, I now promote you to Admiral. I recently lost one of my best Admirals in a classified attack, and I need a replacement. As your first move as Admiral, take two warfleets, the 23rd and 31st, to the Aries system. Be there as quickly as possible, for the pirates could launch an attack of their own if we aren't quick."
Admiral Rak saluted, turned and left the room.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Ship Computer - Atinoda CR-22E Superkestrel - Admiral Rak - - - - - - - - - - 300 Kestrels 1000 Lightnings 100 Ospreys 150 Class D Kestrels - - - - - - - - - - 23rd Rebel Warfleet - - - - - 1 Supercruiser 50 class "D" cruisers 100 assault carriers 250 destroyers 100 Firefoxes 600 Mantas 320 Star Cobras - - - - - - - - - - 31st Rebel Warfleet - - - - - 1 Supercruiser 30 class "D" cruisers 50 assault carriers 175 destroyers 75 Firefoxes 250 Mantas 150 Star Cobras = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =