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I guess I should take a poll on this. here are the relevant points of the (url="http://"http://www.aresaxis.net/hosted_media/magchatlog1.txt")conversation(/url):
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Greybeard: col--the single player ladder is seperate from the clan ladder Greybeard: so if they don't score a game on the single ladder it won't be recorded as sp Col. El Patrick: so the players in a clan also get points ranked on a clan ladder and this would be counting only games vs other clan players? Greybeard: yes Col. El Patrick: ah Col. El Patrick: so on clan ladder Greybeard: but they never appear on the sp ladder Onii7: testing Onii7: thats better Col. El Patrick: ah so a player would be choosing whethere Greybeard: right Onii7: testing Col. El Patrick: to play a clan game or sp game if hes in a clan and facing a member of another clan Col. El Patrick: or is that auto a clan game Onii7: hmm Onii7: hmm Greybeard: depends where they score it Onii7: hmm Col. El Patrick: ah so they choose to score on singleplayer or clan Col. El Patrick: i see Greybeard: right Onii7: hmm Col. El Patrick: well i think way it ought to work is that Onii7: lala lalala Onii7: hmmm.... Col. El Patrick: the clan ladder would use same ranking as indiv ladder Greybeard: and should declare the game type before hand Col. El Patrick: yes Col. El Patrick: and then the clan clan ladder(lol) Onii7: patrick u have Aim? Greybeard: heh Col. El Patrick: would act when people were playing a game on clan ladder Greybeard: yeah--3 ladders in one Col. El Patrick: and it would pick up from that game which clan vs which clan Greybeard: well actually this makes sense Col. El Patrick: and then score it like each clan was the player Col. El Patrick: except the lower ranked a player is the less it adds/subracts Greybeard: if clannies in the same clan what to dispute rank Greybeard: they play and score on the clan ladder Col. El Patrick: and then a fourth ladder for the ranking within clan i guess Col. El Patrick: or should in clan ranking Greybeard: otherwise they score on the sp ladder Onii7: holy crap bad icon! Col. El Patrick: ah Col. El Patrick: yes that makes sense Onii7: chagne it fast! Col. El Patrick: but then we'd have to pick up the clan clan stuff from indiv ladder? Greybeard: might want to explain all this in the rules Col. El Patrick: if both players are in a clan and the clans are different Col. El Patrick: yeah Greybeard: no Greybeard: sp is sp only Onii7 has left the chat Col. El Patrick: well the rank dispute is only within a clan Col. El Patrick: or oh Col. El Patrick: i see Onii7 has joined the chat Col. El Patrick: lol me being stupid Col. El Patrick: Onii7: got ot change it Col. El Patrick: was thinking you were saying that only the clan rank disputes would go on clan ladder Col. El Patrick: heh Onii7: britny sucks! Col. El Patrick: spam spam spam Col. El Patrick: Onii7: u like britny Onii7: shes a stupied idiot Col. El Patrick: so now were we lol Onii7: crap Col. El Patrick: alright so the clan clan games for clan ranking vs other clans get picked up from the clan ladder games between players from different clans Col. El Patrick: and scored Greybeard: basicly I thought that individual scores / top players on the clan ladder are reflective of non same clan games Greybeard: if same clan it switches to ranking within a clan Greybeard: if scored on the clan ladder Onii7: ahhh Onii7: thats better Onii7: JK! Col. El Patrick: hrm makes sense but if score on sp ladder it would not be ranking? Greybeard: yes Col. El Patrick: so clannies could play against each other for indiv ladder Col. El Patrick: alright Greybeard: sp ladder ranks all players Greybeard: regardless of clan Onii7: ok who likes my icon? Col. El Patrick: k Col. El Patrick: onii stop spamming or you cant be adminl Greybeard: but the games scored are in 2 different dbs Onii7: im just joking Greybeard: sp and clan Col. El Patrick: alright i guess Col. El Patrick: right Col. El Patrick: ok then if a player leaves a clan Col. El Patrick: i dont think it should effect either clan score or player score Col. El Patrick: but Col. El Patrick: player rank Col. El Patrick: goes back to sgt Col. El Patrick: until he joins a new clan Greybeard: makes sense Col. El Patrick: and that gets carried over to sp ladder, the ranking? Greybeard: and score resets to 0 Col. El Patrick: or should we remove that Col. El Patrick: it doesnt make sense to assume Greybeard: no Col. El Patrick: non-clan is worse than clan Col. El Patrick: like we have right now Onii7: i can't find any good icons! PRoToTyPe: gb u want the clans listed on this too? PRoToTyPe: like clan names Greybeard: yeah PRoToTyPe: k PRoToTyPe: gotta do that & im done Greybeard: one list should do it PRoToTyPe: k Col. El Patrick: where a non-clan sgt gets listed as 1000 within the scoring system when it calculates the percentage chance of winning Col. El Patrick: which doesnt make sense Col. El Patrick: so on sp we will remove the clan rank effecting it i guess PRoToTyPe: hmm u want it all on one page? (like 2 columns - players & clans) or a menu to select clan/players? Col. El Patrick: and rank will just be to get rank Col. El Patrick: PRoToTyPe: i think 2 columns would be better cuz now it looks sorta empty... Greybeard: well I thought you asked for Onii7: any one have any good icons? Greybeard: ranking on the clan ladder Greybeard: otherwise sargent for all Col. El Patrick: yeah we will leave the rank but make it not effect scoring on sp Col. El Patrick: cause on SP there will be non-clan players and their rank of sgt won't reflect their abilities Col. El Patrick: so rank shouldnt count in SP scoring Col. El Patrick: only in clan ladder scoring Greybeard: interesting point Onii7: im now know as afoxgg1065 Greybeard: heh Greybeard: Patrick--chat about it with Jimmy and on the message board and see if the ladder can make a decision Col. El Patrick: alright guess I'll log this chat and post a topic on the boards Greybeard: proto Greybeard: maybe the player name PRoToTyPe: should i take it for granted that there will be more players than clans? Greybeard: should have sp pts and clan pts PRoToTyPe: ??? Col. El Patrick: and rank
Here is the relevant section of the new mag rules
One formula is used to compute probability of winning: Probability = 1 / (1 + 10^(-y / 400)) However, this forumula will be run once with the difference in ratings as y, and once with the difference in Rank as y. Difference in rank will be calculated as follows: Sergeant= 1000 Lieutenant = 1100 Captain = 1200 Major = 1300 Colonel = 1400 General/Marshall = 1500 The results of the two calculations will then be averaged together and fed into this formula, where:
So th new ladders will go like this ---1v1 ladder--- Β1v1 ladder ---clan vs clan ladder--- Βclan player ladder(games between 2 members of different clans who decide to score it on the clan ladder) Βclan ladder(picked up from games scored on clan player ladder, scoring similar to SP ladder except it takes clan scores for % of win calculation and acts like the game on the clan player ladder was actually fought between the two clans. Βranking ladder within each clan
So my question is, on the 1v1 ladder, should clan rank be taken into account in the probability of win calculation? after all, a non-clan player will always be ranked Sgt. no matter how skilled he is. this could potentially upset the scoring system allowing non-clan players to be ranked above similarly skilled clan players(because according to their rank they are weaker than these ~ skilled clan players and by going 50/50 vs them the non-clan player will rise above them even though he shouldnt be ranked higher.)
Of course the rank will be taken into account in probability calculations for clan player ladder.
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do to patricks concers of some people i was forced to delete my post...
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(This message has been edited by Taylor (edited 07-29-2002).)
if any of you want to here more just talk to 418 Dimok!!! hes full of it... tut tut tut
um...yeah... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
(This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 07-29-2002).)
Originally posted by Taylor: **do to patricks concers of yunger people i was forced to delete my post...
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well i regret maybe i should n't say yunger children.. sorry fokes
oops this is a web board! i totaly forgot!
Originally posted by Patrick: **um...yeah...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
patrick can i join eastligon when magclinet.net is up? please
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you're already in eastlegion lol. all the EL members from .com will be carried over to .net i assume...
Originally posted by Patrick: **you're already in eastlegion lol. all the EL members from .com will be carried over to .net i assume...
i had no idea, now that i know thank you. will the stats be carried over too?
We are starting a new season when we change to the .net site. All scores will be reset and we have a new set of rules&scoring;(see my post above)