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Maybe we can get this to 'final edition 2' heh heh heh, cough. Ok, now, the subject for this topic is ships in AE.
People in AE:
Me Slug Pallas Brook
We can obviously use more.
Ship classes:
50 = fighter 100 = bomber 150 = schooner 200 = cruiser 250 = escort 300 = gunship 350 = carrier 400 = hvd 450 = battleship 800 = transport 860 = assault transport 850 = engineering pod
Storyline:
Player is Cantharan, set around the Boodan war and ends before the conquest of Earth.
Here's a little plot point:
The doomsday weapon of the era is the flak cannon, which is so powerful a convention is formed to relegate this to unmanned drones soon after younger races begin beating up older ones. What do you think?
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Intresting...
550 = Gateship?
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booyah
Booyah? Booyah yes? booyah no?
Heh heh, booya.
I'm a bit foggy on what sort of transportation was used back then, whether jumpgates or gateships came first and which was used more (I suspect that gateships were developed first, and then races decided to link up for trade under the Cantharans & Bazidanese).
As to the gateship idea, booyah.
If I didn't tick too many people off with my last post, I would like to make some suggestions with the ship classes: Ships of the Line: Interceptor Fighter Bomber Schooner Frigate Destroyer Cruiser Battleship
Other Ships: Cargo Ship Transport Assault Transport Engineering Pod Assault Carrier Standard Carrier
OK, Ships of the Line are listed in order of rank: lousiest ship first, biggest and baddest ship last. The 'Other Ships' are listed in no particular order. The two I'm going to clarify are the Assault Carrier and the Standard Carrier. Standard Carrier has practically no shields, and very little weaponry, only some long-range heavy missiles, and to top it off are incredibly slow and have practically no maneuverability. It has a complement of 40 Interceptors, 25 Fighters and 10 Bombers. Yes, that's right. The Assault Carriers are more like the Cantharan Carrier from the original Ares. They're faster, more maneuverable, with better shielding and more weaponry. But they sacrifice size and therefore the number of subships they can carry. They carry a complement of 20 Interceptors, 10 Fighters, and 5 Bombers. Note that there is no HVD. Its role is replaced by the Cruiser, which is a more practical ship. The HVDs were, except for the Gaitori HVD, insanely powerful and next-to-impossible to defeat.
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I think jumpgates would have come first. It takes less money and rescources to build several jumpgates that it does to build one gateship.
Ship Classes Jov: I thought you were using intervals of 50 - wouldn't that place AsltTrans at 900? And I still don't agree that an Escort is an HVC. If I can make a cool net level to demonstrate my uses of Cargo Ships, would you agree too add them? I'll try and run it up sometime soon. Finally, I think that the making the Carrier the smallest Capship (Rock/Paper/Scissors) leaves out a lot of strategy. Frigates!
SC: We're debating which ships to add, not how to uproot the entire Ares ship class system and put a new one in. We're dealing with a premade universe, with its own ideas about Ship Classes. ---------- Storyline: That's all? There's more we could put in... we could release the Boodan Wars as the first AE plug, and Slug and I both have the makings of other storylines in place (BtS/Liege) ---------- The Jumpgate/Gateship could be an interesting discussion. I'll lay out the facts here:
Gateships must have come first. You cannot place a Jumpgate someplace you cannot jump to. Hence, Gateships would have been the first used intersystemically (although not necessarily the first to be developed) in order to get to places where Jumpgates would later be placed.
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Jov: I thought you were using intervals of 50 - wouldn't that place AsltTrans at 900? And I still don't agree that an Escort is an HVC. If I can make a cool net level to demonstrate my uses of Cargo Ships, would you agree too add them? I'll try and run it up sometime soon. Finally, I think that the making the Carrier the smallest Capship (Rock/Paper/Scissors) leaves out a lot of strategy. Frigates!
Sure, in fact, I'm going to leave the ship classes to you Pallas, as you appear to know what you're doing. Just use intervals of 50 when designing your ships, that's all I ask.
Storyline: That's all? There's more we could put in... we could release the Boodan Wars as the first AE plug, and Slug and I both have the makings of other storylines in place (BtS/Liege)
I wasn't describing AE's storyline, just a little plot point (among many others) that I might to put in. As members of AE, we are all obligated to discuss things that might make the conversion more interesting.
I agree with you on the gateships/jumpgates.
The Gaitori being the most powerful most advanced race might have used their gateship to build jumpgates for the less advanced races so as to increases trade?
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Originally posted by brookeview: **The Gaitori being the most powerful most advanced race might have used their gateship to build jumpgates for the less advanced races so as to increases trade?
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The gatori advanced? haha
I think that building a gateship would come first, i mean to establish jumpgates people have to GET there and it would take forever without a gateship.
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Originally posted by Joveia: **Sure, in fact, I'm going to leave the ship classes to you Pallas, as you appear to know what you're doing. Just use intervals of 50 when designing your ships, that's all I ask.
So then, for non-combat: 750: Cargo Ship (For trade-based profit, Hyperiums-style; interesting experiment) 800: Transport 850: Eng. Pod 900: Assault Transport
Then, we put the HVC back in slot 250, and reserve slot 400 for the Escort, should we choose. The HVD, Carrier, and Battleship are put back were they were in the original, and give 350 to a Frigate.
Slot 1000 is reserved for any special Stations we should add, and 10 is, of course, the EVAT.
Unfortunately, I believe that the Frigate would require a lot of playtesting to be a balanced ship, but I'll try and outline an Ishiman one just so we get the idea:
Shields: 1500 Speed: 3.000 Turn: 1.500 Price: 2000 (10 resources) Build Time: 3000
Originally posted by Joveia: **I wasn't describing AE's storyline, just a little plot point (among many others) that I might to put in. As members of AE, we are all obligated to discuss things that might make the conversion more interesting.
Well, I think it's been established that that's the major plot point, but then, it's an interesting idea. AE could be less of a singular expansion than a brand given to "officialised" scenarios; we release "AE: Zeal" to chronicle the Boodan Civil War (Zealots), "AE: Gaia" to develop the original plot further, "AE: Liege" to cover the Obish/Gaitori War... booyah or no booyah?
A few cool ideas to improve AI: (list=1) ()Generally we don't use Build Flags much... but I believe we could implement them along with kMatchingFoe and HardMatchingFoe to allow the computer to "intelligently" build ships along the lines of the Rock/Paper/Scissors theory. ()To get the computer to rally big fleets around powerful flagships, we could instruct smaller ships to cluster with "HardTargetIsFriendly"(/list=a)
It was a suggestion, and one that attempted to work with the technology of AE - and the current U.S.N. names for ship classes.
Got a cool weapon for the Gaitori. I've never seen a weapon do this before... It Should be on my iDisk (Click the link in my sig) when you read this. The file name is Arcade One.
It has some potential.
Pallas, could you outlined in more detailed part 1 of AE? I don't want to have it in segments, rather parts.
Thanks. Of course it will probably have different sounds and sprites.
Just a second Pallas.
My intervals were based in relative ship firepower, with the weakest ship having 50 and the strongest ship having 350. Logically, this is the best and most comprehensive system, but I'm not going to stop you from doing something else. Also, you've added a frigate ship, bringing the total combat ships for each race up to 10. I'm happy to provide it, if you can prove it has a role which is none of the below:
Fighter: Cannon-fodder. Bomber: Fighter that can take on warships. Schooner: Anti-fighter. Cruiser: All-round warship. Escort: Superior warship. Gunship: Light capital destroyer. Carrier: Supports with fighters. Heavy Heavy capital destroyer. Battleship: All-round capital ship.
I suppose your system does make sense, but mine isn't completely disorganized either. It's size-relative Smallest ship 50, Biggest ship 550
And I thought I'd mentioned the weapons on the Frigate, I guess I didn't.
Shields: 1500 Speed: 3.000 Turn: 1.500 Price: 2000 (10 resources) Build Time: 3000 Pulse: F-Pulse Beam: PK Turret Special: CMissile
The general idea is to put a low-cost Capship into the mix, efficient at killing Schooners and the like (pulse turrets don't seem to be quite fast enough) and providing a primary target for the Bomber. The results would be something along the lines of Squadron: Fighter, Schooner, Cruiser, HVCruiser Destroyer: Bomber, Gunship, HVDestroyer Capship: Frigate, Carrier, Battleship