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Just a general tip for finding names: a lot of ships have the names of actual person (often female names) or cities.
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Frigates are my favorite class of ship, they have just the right balance between manuverability and firepower, and I don't just mean in EV/O/N, I mean in general. During the war of 1812 a couple ships showed up as steadfast fighting ships ideal for the war, Frigates were amoung the most honered of those. The Constellation, and Constitution were both Frigates and they both have gone down in history. There are others which I don't feel like digging in my mental attic to remember which also earned places in the marine warfare hall of fame. Nowadays Frigates, much like battleships, have gone out of favor, though unlike battleships they take a secondary place. They are no longer heavily armed fighting ships among the best in the navy. They are escort ships for protecting slow convoys and Aircraft carriers. I think it's a shame, but then again, the guys who take care of this stuff probably know best.
As a secondary note:I do believe that in the space warfare of EV universes, Frigates and Destroyers should take first place in a governments list of front line warships. Easier and faster to build than the Hulking carriers that have taken precedance in modern marine warfare, these ships can have the firepower, and manuverabilty, to pack a heavy punch when used properly. As testimony to this, in all three EV's Frigates, and/or Destroyers are commonly seen on war borders, usually beating up on each other.
All this is why I'm currently working on a web page dedicated entierly to Frigates, and now that I've written this, I think I'll include this post on that webpage. It's perfect for part of the description.
In fact, old pirates much prefered very fast ships. Corvettes, and sloops were favorites. During the Armada days, speedy Race Built Galleons were favored by English privateers. In Roman times, as has been mentioned, Galleys were used. Unfortunently for the pirates, Roman army vessels were also Galleys. So the advantage of speed was not always theirs. I found a web page that is devoted to pirates, both modern and lore. But I can't find the link, has anybody heard of it? I think it was called "lou's pirate page" or something like that.
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I love frigates as well...
If I lived during the Napoleonic wars, I'd either have a 56 gun American-built frigate, a 28 gun Yankee-built frigate or a 20-gun sloop of war (aka corvette).
Fast, powerful, beautiful (you haven't seen a ship until you've seen a flush-decked 18-gun brig of war).
But there is a reason they have those huge battleships. Everybody else built them, Captain Phillips.
In the plugin I'm writing (which takes very close cues from the Napoleonic Navy), sloops, frigates and cruisers are the mainstay of the fleet and the big ships are only used in MAJOR fleet engagements (it'll be fun when it's complete and I get to lead a force of 20 ships-of-the-line into battle against 30 enemy ships...).
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The Constellation, and Constitution were both Frigates and they both have gone down in history.
If you've ever read Patrick O'Brian's Fortunes of War, HMS Java has a run-in with the USS Constitution. The Americans were both skilled sailors, gunners, shipwrights and fighters. The Yankees were feared because in the war of 1812, Commodore Perry's fleet, which had just been built in the Great Lakes, was the fastest collection of ships in the world. We were known for good ships. The Constitution never fell after many engagements.
Our frigates took 4 British frigates of comparable size within the first few months of the war. In decades of fighting with Napoleon, the British regularly sent 14-gun brigs fighting against 32-gun frigates.
We truly have a unique history, especially in the age of sail. During the brief time I toyed around with making an Age of Sail TC, I thought about making the American fleet small but incredibly powerful, like the Polaris in EVN.
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Check out ski run names - they've got some good ones. These come from Alta and Park City. I don't know if they have some sort of trademark on the names - I doubt it, since a lot of areas have the same names.
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Originally posted by Zzap212: **I love frigates as well...
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Glad to see somebody agrees with me. I've read plenty about the Constitution, even been aboard her. I never got to see the lower decks though, some VIP's were sceduled to arrive and they hustled my group out after we saw the lower Gun Deck. :frown:
I remember quite well that Two Frigates "or their twin sisters, the Destroyers" can take down the largest of cruisers. Two UE Destroyers in EVO easily take out Voinian Cruisers. But on reversed tables, two Voinian Frigates can take out a UE Cruiser or Carrier, more often it takes three frigates to knock down a Cruiser. A host of smaller, faster ships do more damage to the enemy than several large, unweildy battleships. I have noticed that the Fed Carriers are usually among the first to get scrapped in a big battle. Auroran carriers are vulnerable once their fighters are gone. More than once I've seen a Carrier launch it's fighters at a Destroyer, and while the destroyer is fighting them off the defence fleet arives. The Carrier frantically calls back it's fighters only to get one or two badly damaged Firebirds or Phonix's. The Fighters and destroyers gang up on the ship and it's all over. Cruisers last even less time I've discovered. Without any sort of fast fighters a pair of Destroyers along with some help from a standing off Carrier's fighters usually do the job without any losses to anything but the stormed Fighters. (point defences are nice when you need to concentrate on the big guys but have fighters swarming around you. ;))
I still think that a Faster fighting ship is better than a slower heavily armed ship, and any smart government would regognise that. Actually, the Federation and UE governments are smarter than their enemys, they have Destroyers, fighters, carriers, and in the case of the Feds, two other fast well armed ships. Though the UE did get themselves a clunker. :rolleyes: In fact, I've noticed that the Federation, UE, Voinians, and Aurorans are all exactly the same almost. Same fighting styles, and in the case of the Voinians/aurorans, same looking ships. What a shame. :frown:
I've always wanted to see the Constitution... We have a historical seaport here in CT, but they only have a schooner (L. Dunton, I believe), a whaling brig (Charles Morgan), a Boston Clipper (Joseph Conrad), an old steamer, plus a shipyard, where the recreation of the Amistad was built. No men-o-war here in CT...
But, back to the logistics of frigates... The reason the Fed and Auroran carriers are the first to go is because they present the biggest target. The theory is to put up so much firepower that said frigates, cruisers, destroyers, sloops, brigs, what have you, were not able to get anywhere near the line of the battle. To have plunged a ship with weaker hulls into the path of hundreds of 32-pound shots would have been suicide.
Don't forget that the line-of-the-battle ships had greater range as well, being able to mount long-32s and long-24s, whereas the Constitution only mounted 24-pounder carronades. Good for a fight at close range, but they'd be mince meat before they got within 200 yards of an eney 64-gun 4th Rate.
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On the topic of the water that I noticed here a while back (as in the water could only be made to be blue), why not modify rΓΆids to resemble waves and give them an insane ammount of hit points so the player couldn't go blowing up said waves? Worth a try, I'd figure.
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You can just set them to be undestroyable.
Is Mantaray even still working on this anymore? (I really hope so.)
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Wouldn't roids fly every-which direction? This wouldn't look too realistic for waves, which normally travel in the same direction.
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It was an idea... I guess not a good one. They would just go every direction.
If you set the sea (syst) to have gravity, would the roid/waves go towards that gravitational point? I know that this is a moot topic more than likely, but I am curious.
There was an attempt to do a WWII plugin for override. The guy who made it used asteroids as iceburgs. To bad the titanic couldn't have gone over the iceburg instead of hitting it.
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As for sea, it all seems like not overly strenuous engine changes. I'm not saying it would be easy, it just wouldn't take as long as making the engine in the first place :p. Matt said he doesn't want to do EV anymore, I wonder what his views on creating a sea game would be?
Probably not good.
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hey, i think having the asteroids look ike waves would look better then just blue. Just pretend its a big storm
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