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My votes for worst plugins?
Frozen Heart - yes, I know many EV:Oers wont agree, but when you're used to EV graphics Frozen Hearts odd rotation system gets on your nerves in about 2 minutes, also the mission structure is somewhat disjointed. New Horizons - Storyline was execellant. Pitty the graphics let it down.
As for my plugin, What If, I'll be posting some pics here soon-ish. I'm just going to do some more modeling
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Originally posted by blackhole: Frozen Heart - yes, I know many EV:Oers wont agree, but when you're used to EV graphics Frozen Hearts odd rotation system gets on your nerves in about 2 minutes, also the mission structure is somewhat disjointed.
My god, YES! I can't say bad things about this plug because I've never played it, but THAT's the reason I never did! Awesome landing picts, though. -david-
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Originally posted by blackhole: **Frozen Heart - yes, I know many EV:Oers wont agree, but when you're used to EV graphics Frozen Hearts odd rotation system gets on your nerves in about 2 minutes, also the mission structure is somewhat disjointed. **
It's not bad. The graphics annoyed me, but the storyline was pretty damn good tho... I'd like to see what MT comes up with this time around... some of the ideas in that plug were excellent
Just as an aside in FH, change the plug slightly and put two black holes in the same system... that's quite fun (as long as you stay out of the way)
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Originally posted by Martin Turner: **It's Frozen Heart 2, and I'm still working on it.
I don't think you can really accuse it of being much-hyped -- I asked for Beta Testers a few months ago in one board message. I've not been hyping it since, and I am still working on it most days.
Regards
Martin **
Well, less hyped than hotly anticipated... sorry if I implied too much.
A few other notorious examples: Nova - yes folks, before there was an EV3, there was Nova, the original plugin that eventually became EV:N. Begun in 1998, Nova has taken a long time to develop indeed, and the last pictures of Nova I remember (before it was EV3) were way in the DiscBoard days, with little since known except idle speculation and rumors until ASW made the official announcement. But Nova is actually gonna be finished now, and man is it gonna be cool.
Quantumire: Return - spectacular graphics, sequel to one of the most famous total conversion plugins in EV history from one of the most noted plugin designers... what more could you ask for?
Bugs.
Quantumire: Return is famous for being one of the most buggy plugins in EV history - inserting the plugin essentially makes the game unplayable.
However, Quantumire Special Edition is coming out for EVO, and it will fix all those problems, and more - check out the link in my sig.
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Originally posted by Meowx Design: **My god, YES! I can't say bad things about this plug because I've never played it, but THAT's the reason I never did! Awesome landing picts, though. -david- **
Never played the Frozen Heart, or never played it for EV?
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Originally posted by Meowx Design: **My god, YES! I can't say bad things about this plug because I've never played it, but THAT's the reason I never did! Awesome landing picts, though. -david-
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Allow me to urge you to try it, then. The story is the main part — all the rest is incidentals.
Martin
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Originally posted by Martin Turner: **Allow me to urge you to try it, then. The story is the main part — all the rest is incidentals.
you should really change the way the ships spin. it just looks... sad
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I think New Horizons is awesome! Yes, it's 20 megs ('cause of the graphics) but it is totally cool!
Here's a question for you guys. I'm thinking of merging EV with EVO. Should I modify the damage for EVO, leave it the same, or what?
Worst plugs:
Voyager-- damaged! The only copy I could find is corrupted. All star trek plugs in general. SW is pretty bug-filled, but hey! There are about 5 diffrent versions of it!
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Originally posted by adj_boy: ** I'm also making a pretty big plug too:D .
It'll be based on a game named Final Fantasy. **
How the hell are you going to do that?! I've played Final Fantasy 7 until I was blue in the face. I've 100% completed it about eight times, how can you make a space adventure game about it? I've also completed 5 of the other 7 Final Fantasy's, you can't make space games out of them either....
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Originally posted by skyblade: **Never played the Frozen Heart, or never played it for EV?
Never played it period. Perhaps I will... if I have some spare time on my hands. (ha ha ha ha ha ha... whee) -david-
Worst plug-in: 1. EV Ultra ( :mad:bugs, bugs, bugs:mad 2. Star Wars(not ANA) (universe smaller than Japanese kindergardens playground, worst story of all time) 3. The Foundation (just not interesting)
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Originally posted by COpperman: **I just want to know what to avoid when I write mine.
The classic things to avoid are:
ships that are too powerful puzzles that are too difficult missions that are only just possible large download sizes
Anyway, this is the advice that people gave me, and I ignored all of it. My advice, for what it's worth, is tear up the rule book and do it your way.
Some people may hate your plug-in, but others will enjoy it, and they are the ones who count.
Originally posted by Martin Turner: **The classic things to avoid are: Anyway, this is the advice that people gave me, and I ignored all of it. My advice, for what it's worth, is tear up the rule book and do it your way. **
(-david- raises his hand) I second that. The rule to ignore the most is the one about download size. If your plug is good, people will download it. Period. Even if it means burning out the LED on their 14.4. Well, maybe. I mean, MAGMA has well over 6000 downloads and is over 5 megs... you get the idea. Just have fun and be original. -david-
UND has to be the worst plug-in ever
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the original EV star wars plug was NOT that bad... it had alot of information pertinant to that particular universe, and it sited all the resources there were.
the graphics were fairly accurate and pretty nice, per se, and the story wasn't all that bad (as far as i could play it before the bugs got me.)
unfortunatly, i felt that the universe could stand to be redrawn. the ships were too easy to get, and didnt have enough "special" outfits; the millennium falcon was a corellian freighter with a ton of illegal upgrades, but the game made the freighter (in mint condition) more powerful than it should have been. in x-wing collectors edition (the lucasarts game), it was possible for a very good player to take out a star destroyer piece by piece (fighters, sheilds, a few guns, then blindside it and kill it) but in this game, there was no way to do this because of a lack of blindside.
but then, with the advent of the new EVO, i believe that it's possible to make a better star wars plug, perhaps one that even works, and that lives up to the former games. only problem is that in star wars, you could redirect sheild energy from front to back to even. but perhaps the trade-off there is that the guns in EV fire fast and do not require a resivor of charge.
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Please clarify:
Star Wars: ANA Star Wars Star Wars 2 Star Wars 3
Thanks!
Originally posted by macmaxbh: **Please clarify:
Thanks! **
sorry bout that- im pretty sure that it was SW 2.0 (version 1.0 and 1.0.3 for some stupid reason).
it was ahwile back, so i cant really remember all that much.
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Any plug which is pure shoot-em-up is the worst. e.g. go to system A fight 7 Corvettes go to B fight 22 Kestrels go to C and fight the entire Alien space navy. Because FH is a thinking man's plug many people do not appreciate it. I think it the best of some very good plugs.
Originally posted by Andrew M: **By reputation, Universe Next Door (EVO) is considered a horrid plug. P.D.A. Inc. (EV) is just insane. I'd have to go with any cheater plugs, New Horizons (EV), EVO Tech Update (duh), and DeathStar (EV).
How is EVO Tech Update a cheat? All it does is change the target graphics and the interface buttons.
Heh. Reading about the death spiral of FB2 and Epilson was amusing and enlightening - from what it seems, the chances of me getting a Porsche is more likely than Epsilon ever being finished.
heh, they released recently a beta of the SAM engine so it's not completely dead
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