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i have a question how many developer's still look at the EV dev board before going to the EV3 board? has anyone checked this board recently? even without all this hype about EV3 there haven't been very many good big or TC class plugs for a long time... like a few years ago... anyone think that this could be unhealthy even in the short term? not that i'm not hyped about EV3... i'm really excited. maybe i'm just selfish for a good TC to play.... I WANT A TC!!!
The ambition to write a TC and actually writing one are usually mutually incompatible
Over the last two years we have seen literally hundreds of announcements about up and coming TCs. Very few of them seem to have got out of the vapourware stage.
In my estimation developing a TC takes from six months to two years Β and woe betide the developer who doesn't get it thoroughly beta-tested before issuing it.
Nobody wants to release their TC and then have EV3 released the next week making it obselete. So chances are that for the few TCs still in production, the writers will want to wait and release them for EV3 Β after all, if you've been developing for two years, you can afford to wait a few months.
There is hope around the corner, though. A team in Australia (not the EV3 team) have started releasing some neat plugin development tools, which should drastically reduce time from concept to game. So if somebody does have an almost finished TC out there, these tools could mean an early release date.
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1KW. 1000 spΓΆbs. Each of the 8 galatic superpowers will have an empire only slightly smaller then the original EV.
Were're moving along pretty quickly now. The map has been released to the developers, now we just have to spΓΆb them and name them. We have all the ships and weapons and stuff done. Some people have even started on their missions.
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I know how you guys feel. Like I really want to release my TC for EVO which I think I will do even when ev3 comes out. becuase people will hopefully play evo still.
But it puts us who have been working for years in kinda a hard spot. like if they are going to release ev3 at least give us the devs the new bible etc. so we can convert our work. instead of just leaving us hanging.
Well thats my 2 bits.. too tired to write moer...
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Originally posted by Phillip: I know how you guys feel. Like I really want to release my TC for EVO which I think I will do even when ev3 comes out. becuase people will hopefully play evo still.
Andrew said he would release the ev3 bible before the game is released, once the features are finalized.
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Well, What If is still in dev, though it is awaiting some features it is hoped EV:3 will have. Once those features are finalised then I hope development will continue.
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yeah. i know very well how hard it is to make a TC. that's why i didn't announce mine before trying to work on it alone. i ended up leaving it for awhile cause of other stuff. just that it's been a really long time since i've played a good TC....
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Nova/EV3 was the reason I gave up on my massive expansion to the EVO universe. I figured, why bother? Nova is going to take all the popularity... and with all the graphic enhancements... EVO popularity will drop, dramatically.
So instead, I focused my efforts on something (actually several projects) that could be played/enjoyed by larger groups... not just Mac users.
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Originally posted by Soviet mikee: **Nova/EV3 was the reason I gave up on my massive expansion to the EVO universe. I figured, why bother? Nova is going to take all the popularity... and with all the graphic enhancements... EVO popularity will drop, dramatically.
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could you tell us what that project that is?
Originally posted by J.Ace21: i have a question how many developer's still look at the EV dev board before going to the EV3 board? has anyone checked this board recently? even without all this hype about EV3 there haven't been very many good big or TC class plugs for a long time... like a few years ago... anyone think that this could be unhealthy even in the short term? not that i'm not hyped about EV3... i'm really excited. maybe i'm just selfish for a good TC to play.... I WANT A TC!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/smile.gif" HEIGHT="15" WIDTH="15">
as was stated, thinking up and actually making a tc are two different things. a tc is a huge amount of work and it's pretty much all for nothing. when you post a tc announcement you're either as lucky as i was, and simply get nothing, or you're normal and get a ten page flamefest. i'm working on a series of tc's for evo, but since i'm just in it for myself it's going to take a while. i'm quite surprised that any big plugs make it out anymore b/c i see no point in putting all that effort into something just to toss it to a pack of dogs who will tear it up and subsequently tear you up. if we want more plugs we need to start treating our plugmakers better. i know, we've all seen hundreds of announcements for tc's, which then went belly up within days, but i've also seen that many of them didn't die on their own. if everyone who tries to put out a tc has to take such $#!t over it, of course people are going to stop making tc's
p.s. i check the ev board, then the developers' board, then the ev3 board only if i have time
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That was an excellent post!
Era for ev, in mission writing stage, missions are 20% done.
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Era, an huge plugin for EV: (url="http://"http://www.geocities.com/rhysmctharin/erahome.html")www.geocities.com/rhysmctharin/erahome.html(/url)
Well, label me naive, but I haven't a clue what 'TC' stands for.
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tc=total conversion. it chanes everything (or at least a huge percentage), basically only leaving the engine intact. for example, frozen heart changes all the systems, ships, missions, governments, and outfits
Plugins don't have to add any graphics at all to be interesting. The new mission bit system allows for some very cool missions to be made, I think some of the most exciting plugins for EV3 will use the existing EV3 graphics (there's plenty of goodness there), and build on the plotlines in the game by offering new and interesting missions.
EV3 is like a master lego set -- it provides a LOT for you to play with. You don't need to make your own new graphics to build an exciting and interesting plugin for EV3 any more than you need to buy new legos to make a cool model with what you already have.
That said, it's also true that it'll be a bit more work to create world-class graphics and effects that go along with EV3, but you can just add a ship or two, and outfit or two, etc. to spice up your additional missions/plotlines.
Doing a total conversion for EV3 that takes advantage of all of the graphical features it offers will indeed be an undertaking -- but there's no reason that you have to do that to make an exciting and interesting plugin.
I predict the storylines presented in EV3 and the wealth of graphics provided with the game, combined with the excellent new mission system will actually result in more plugins being made, not fewer.
We shall see.
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Originally posted by andrew: **Plugins don't have to add any graphics at all to be interesting. The new mission bit system allows for some very cool missions to be made, I think some of the most exciting plugins for EV3 will use the existing EV3 graphics (there's plenty of goodness there), and build on the plotlines in the game by offering new and interesting missions.
Great! i always hated making my own graphics
Originally posted by J.Ace21: ** I WANT A TC!!!**
Well, here's Meowx's current lineup, in order that they're most likely to get done:
Quantumire : SE for EVO Project Nebula for EVO or maybe EV3 Dark Realms for (most likely) EV3 These are the current TCs MDS is working on. And I promise you they'll all get done! -david-
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(quote)Originally posted by Meowx Design: **Well, here's Meowx's current lineup, in order that they're most likely to get done:
Quantumire : SE for EVO Project Nebula for EVO or maybe EV3 Dark Realms for (most likely) EV3 These are the current TCs MDS is working on. And I promise you they'll all get done!
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Originally posted by J.Ace21: **cool.
i didn't like Quantumire very much but i'll be willing to play it for EVO <IMG SRC="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/smile.gif" HEIGHT="15" WIDTH="15">
And if you didn't like it before, you're gonna love it now. Enhanced missions, ships, and everything, all new ships & weapons, better missions and new plot, and no more bugs & typos.
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cool