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I've noticed that there are many "bars" popping up and quite a few people are getting tired of them.
I figure the best way to solve the issue is to first discuss it and then I'll figure out some method, set of rules... by which I lock them (if there are way too many of them).
Since I do consider myself a "moderator that listens" I am open to suggestions.
I've already got an idea of how I will do it, but I'd rather hear you all before I make any decisions. I'm not a king of the board, just someone who has to make sure everyone is getting along and ensures everyone has a pleasent experience.
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Well, many people like there to be 200 posts in a bar before a new one is started. One way to do it would be to lock bars that have been started before the first one has 200 posts. That is a little blunt, though.
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I think we should have two bars open at the same time. Some people might not like who the bartender is at that point an would rather go to somebody else. Plus some bars have different atmospheres. I think beyond three is excessive though.
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that's good Athena.
Star Base Alpha Bar is the continuation of the bars before all the others. Emalgha and Star Base were there first so they should be the 2 and the rest should be locked. Qerid is going fast so it could go to 200.
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I liked the "story" board, idea. Andrew probably doesn´t
Anyways, max two bars active at a time, and the rest are deleted
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I didn't notice this message string, and posted my possible solution in the other "there's too many bars" string. For the sake of convienience, I'll repost it here as well:
We had this same problem about three or four months ago. There were about 10 bars on the boards, and there was a pretty big outcry against them, even more so than now. The solution I offered then was to only keep the popular bars - kind of a system of attrition. When a bar fell out of popularity, say when nobody had posted in it for over a day or two, it would be locked or deleted. That would keep the bar clutter to a minimum, leaving only the bars hat people actually like and use a lot (and thus are worthwhile to keep), and getting rid of the old ones that have lost popularity before someone tries to resurrect them and bounce them right back to the top of the boards.
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Why not just leave the bars as they are? I don't particularly like them and hence don't read them and it's no skin off of my nose.
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Originally posted by Captaintripps: **Why not just leave the bars as they are? I don't particularly like them and hence don't read them and it's no skin off of my nose. **
I'm with tripps here... if you don't like the bars, don't read them... but, if some people feel important by starting a bar, let them. They're not forcing us to read them, and they're really not taking up that much space.
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Nothing wrong with the idea of bars in my opinion, even several ones (ie more than 2 simultaneously), to publish a silly little idea which is not big enough for a short story or something, to have the feeling of interacting with people for lack of friends in the illusory world outside EVO some gits call "reality", or just to let off a bit of steam in (semi-)public.
And those who think 'bars' are boring or stupid or whatever can simply ignore them, as it usually says in the topic title "XXYY bar". Why make such a fuss complaining about them? Is it their mere existence which drives some people to measures such as launching whingeing campaigns?
The only problem I have with them is that - not in every, but in most cases - they tend to be an endless succession of "AA blasts BB's head off with an InvincibleMegaMonsterRayWeapon and orders a CompletelyUnpronouncableDrinkNeverHeardOfInTheEntireGalaxy" --- "BB puts his head back in place, draws his EvenMoreWickedMultiPurposeDisembowellerBlaster and splatters AA's intestines across the entire bar, in the course of which the bar is blown to pieces and has to be rebuilt" or similar invaluable contributions. I tried for a while to put a bit more content into one of them, but unfortunately I don't have the time to contribute consistently, so I gave up. But I'd definitely appreciate a little more imagination, so it's interesting to visit the bars without necessarily always posting. Which might also help the anti-bar lobby to accept their existence.
But to find a set of general rules for bars (with appropriate incentives to vaguely stick to them) which the great majority of "guests" wouldn't find too inhibiting might just be a touch difficult....
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I've been on the boards a while and I've come to a conclusion- ban all of them
My reason for this is because the boards used to be a spot for people to get help and share information, but now with all these bars its turned into story time. Now people that are asking for help are getting overloooked more often this is like last fall when we had about 10 polls going, when we already had one the last week with the same topic.
Sorry if i offend anyone with my post. This is just my opinion.
I'd like to represent and ensure that this does not spill over and affect the webstory community here. Webstories are quite different of course, each have a specific plot and different methods of play. I would like to suggest as an addendum that excessive webstories, not as in too many but as in those that continue to reproduce the original EVO story over and over again (not to point any fingers, as it hasn't really been a problem so far) should be restricted as well.
To clarify the difference between webstories and bars (in my position as EVEA Head Mod and initiator of the webstory community here), please note that those such as 'Resistence' and 'Hypergate' are bars and not webstories. Beyond that it's pretty obvious, usually because most utilize Rooster's Law as rules.
Hope that was enough rambling to go on, Mikee.
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Gotta love how pointless bickering can come up so often for such little reason. I don't mean the word bickering to be offensive, but it did fit. Really though, it amazes me how people can always find something to have a difference of opinion on and turn it into an argument. Oh well, now to find something topic relevant....I agree with...Galatic Punk.
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Bars in my oppinion arent really bad at all but I do agree that the "A blasts B's head of with the super duper laser weapon" thing is becoming quite obnoctious. I think that bars would be alot more interesting if ideas about and for EVO were discussed in the bars, only in a stry-like fassion.
Originally posted by WarBeast: **Gotta love how pointless bickering can come up so often for such little reason. I don't mean the word bickering to be offensive, but it did fit. Really though, it amazes me how people can always find something to have a difference of opinion on and turn it into an argument. **
Which is exactly why I made this topic. So people's complaints and suggestions can be done is a civil manner.
Since I prefer to spend my time in real bars instead of virtual ones do I only have one suggestion: They should have the word bar in the topic-line (as they use to have).
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Originally posted by ~Rebel~: **Bars in my oppinion arent really bad at all but I do agree that the "A blasts B's head of with the super duper laser weapon" thing is becoming quite obnoctious. I think that bars would be alot more interesting if ideas about and for EVO were discussed in the bars, only in a stry-like fassion.
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I agree with Rebel. I've been here for a while and the bars use to be more like an RPG than an area to kill and reincarnate.
In essence, aren't the bars Role Playing? Taking your created EVO pilot and your ship and setting down in a bar for conversation etc. In MHO I think it would be wise for the people that like Role Playing Games to move their bars to a forum such as yahoogroups where a group can be created for their bar and stories can develop from there...
Just a thought EA
Originally posted by Flatulence: **I'm with tripps here... if you don't like the bars, don't read them... but, if some people feel important by starting a bar, let them. They're not forcing us to read them, and they're really not taking up that much space. **
This has long been my stand on the issue. If people want bars, let them have them. If you don't like the bars, just ignore them. I used to participate in the bars. I don't anymore, but it was fun for awhile. Love me or hate me for it, but for a long time the bars were all but dead and I brought them back. I think it was the Outpost Zachit bar, and I don't feel like going back and finding it. No, that was the first bar I'd ever made(or seen) with some atempt at making rules to control it. It was a miserable failure, but it laid the groundwork for the great LBS series...
Oh well, if you don't like the bars, ignore them. Just don't keep other people from enjoying them.
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Originally posted by Captaintripps: Why not just leave the bars as they are? I don't particularly like them and hence don't read them and it's no skin off of my nose.
That's pretty much my stance on the issue too.
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The main problem with multiple bars is that there is only a limited number of topics that are shown on the page, so topics that are perfectly active, such as unanswered questons, are thrown off the first page to a realm very few people actually look at, and thus the questions are never answered.
Considering that, and the fact that the posts in bars are complete spam, to keep bars at all a considerable change must be made. So, I'll try and be productive here, and make a few points. Although I'd tend to lean with Warbeast's opinion, that this really isn't very purposeful - because we all know Soviet Mikee will say "hmm.... I think I'll do my plan anyway" <winks> - I think this time I'll try and take part in this discussion, instead of doing what I normally do, which is to read over and find myself with no reason to post.
First matter, the content of bars. I made an effort in one bar to make a plot, however, that didn't go far. At least, I made it with a few other people and formed the whole story very quickly, because we all knew - and Phoenix proved it - that someone would just come in with their Infinite Unending Totally Unstoppable Omega Blaster (or CHEAT as it is sometimes referred to when found in games) and just stop the plot in it's tracks. Since we finished it before anyone could post, that couldn't happen, but we got one or two "alternative endings" with the whole "I killed you all with my CHEAT".
Thus, I would like to propose this:
If a bar descends into spam, and lacks a) a formulated mini-webstory like plot or a discussion forum (such as the bar centres on talking about achievements in EVO or fictional stories the person or their character would like to tell), then that bar should be deleted. Not locked, deleted. That gets around the problem with topics going off page, I believe.
Of course, if one or two people post spam, or go off topic, that isn't enough of a reason. It's if in a dozen posts there isn't a single productive one that I believe this should be done. Sorry, Mikee, that this course of action deletes the need of your locking picture. <smiles>
It should be made clear that bars do not escape the normal posting rules of EVO. They don't need to be in-topic, in-character all the time. They are one of the best places for someone to ask "where did XX go?" instead of posting a topic about it. Taking them away isn't the answer, nor is ignoring them. Striving to make something of them is in my opinion the best option.
And when it comes to the number of bars, one. Any more and they are just a bunch of topics that are completely useless. One bar at a time has more traffic, and thus it would be better used as an off-topic questioning topic as well as a place for small plotlines and stories. If someone asks "where's XX?" in an unused topic, then s/he won't get an answer. Also, if they post "where's XX?" in about ten different bars, they are simply spamming.
So, in my opinion, delete any multiple bars, and have a single "official" bar. The system of "who gets to start the new bar" actually works, by looking at the people who visit the bars a lot. On another note, worthwhile bars might be one of the major things that bring back my interest to the boards. The first was losing my computer for a week, the second will be Reign of Chaos II and Golden Horizon.
Finally, please note that webstories and bars are extremely different. One webstory at a time... <shivers> Personally, I believe the limit on that should be two. If you think back for a moment, Dark Tide and Reign of Chaos worked fine together, each with totally different but still enough players.
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