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True...My favorite ship is the Igazra, and mounting five phase turrets, that ship is the best.
I haven't yet fought an Igadzra that I couldn't best in my UE cruiser.
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Originally posted by Belgarath: **I haven't yet fought an Igadzra that I couldn't best in my UE cruiser.:)
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I haven't yet fought a UE Cruiser that I can't beat fairly in my Crescent Fighter.
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Originally posted by SilverDragon: **I haven't yet fought a UE Cruiser that I can't beat fairly in my Crescent Fighter.
Ha! Very true...I would much rather fly a crescent fighter then a UE Cruiser anytime...Speed is everything.
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Posted by SilverDragon:
Fairly? Doubtful. Monty Python doesn't count.
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(This message has been edited by UE Crusader (edited 05-30-2001).)
Originally posted by UE Crusader: **Fairly? Doubtful. Monty Python doesn't count.
Of course it doesn't count, that's why I said "fairly". I use Spearhead tactics after having evaded it at a range so it loses all it's rockets. Have faith - it works.
And I haven't found a Crescent Fighter yet that I can't beat in either my Arada or my Azdara.
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Posted by SilverDragon: Of course it doesn't count, that's why I said "fairly". I use Spearhead tactics after having evaded it at a range so it loses all it's rockets. Have faith - it works.
Aye, so it does. Very impressive.
Ok, moving on to my opinion on the best turret....my opinions on the matter are probably unorthodox compared to the general way this topic is leaning.
As far as what the best weapon is, its all a matter of perspective.
Phase Turrets are everyone's favorite for a reason. They rock against shields, have good range, and are useful against almost everyone. UE, Crescent, and any Renegade faction. The shortcoming is in any Voinian encounter due to the heavy armor. If you want to be technical you can say this about UE also, although its to a waaaay lesser extent. The Cruiser can be pretty formidible with 100 armor, though. I think we can all agree that the ONLY way to win against armor-based ships with phase weapons is to use the ol' monty python manuever. The exception is if you happen to be flying an Igazra with its high shielding, but that's about it. Now although many people are content to use monty python, for me there's just one little problem: I personally think using the monty python in the majority of one's battles is a sign of weak piloting skills and/or cowardince (let me also say however that I mean no disrespect to those who differ from my point of view).
Blaze Turrets are decent weapons; they just aren't the best. They are by no means as great as phase turrets, but they are more versatile in that they do an almost equal amount of energy and mass damage. They also have a very high firing rate. The shortcoming of blaze turrets is that one is forced into close combat because if its relatively short range. However it is in such situations that the blaze turret excels, and I like it because of that. It tends to fit my fighting style more. Note though that while I like the blaze turret, I'd never use the cannon. Blaze is good if you have a large ship that you want to plow into battle with. It is NOT good if you want to fight with finesse in a smaller ship, such as an Arada. Now yes, it could be good against Voinians that way, but I'm not the type of person that generally uses small ships against huge Voinian hulks unless I'm in the mood to do so (which isn't often)
Emalgha weaponry is pathetic. There is nothing about them that isn't surpassed by the other primary weapons. The range is worse, the firing rate is worse. The Emalgha turret isn't even a turret, its just front quadrant cannon that makes it a little easier to actually hit your target (with is impossible with the emalgha cannon unless you're aim is precise). And it takes up more space than the more effective blaze turret. Emalgha technology is in no way practical for player use. Don't let their usefuless against armor fool you; blaze technology is far more efficient against Voinians in the long run. It is a total waste of time to substitute Emalgha weapons on a UE ship, or any other for that matter. Never, ever buy it. On a scale of 1 to 10, its a -2.
And now, this brings me to the last turret: the neutron turret.
I am about to go against the popular majority. The phase turret is not the best weapon; the neutron turret is. Here's why.
The range factor: Its Better than the blaze or Emalgha cannon. While it doesn't necessarily surpass the phase cannon in this area (I'd have to check), it does match up fairly well against it.
The damage factor: Its this simple: Shot for shot, the neutron turret does more damage (both types) than any other turret, including phase. It is therefore by far the most versatile primary weapon out there is far as damage is concerned.
The rate factor: This is the area people point out when discussing the neutron turret: the slower firing rate. However, this fact alone does not negate the usefulness of the neutron turret. Although you will run into accuracy problems trying to gun down ships on either side of your ship, the damage factor does make up for that somewhat. Furthermore, the accuracy problem is easily negated if you line up your ship with the enemy in such a way that your neutron turrets fire pretty much ahead or behind you. All your ships will move in an exclusively straight line that will inflict immense damage on anything in seconds. All it takes is some smart piloting. Too many people look at the rate factor and then diss the whole weapon, but this is unwise.
The weight factor: This is the one shortcoming of the neutron turret, its weight. Both blaze and phase probably give the pilot more bang for the tonnage, since there's more room for secondaries with those. It is for this reason that for many ships, it is simply impractical to use the neutron turret. Crescent ships are very compact, so putting them on vessels like the Crescent Warship will leave you short on space compared to the others. Using them on mid-range fighting ships like the Lazira and Zidara is practically out of the question. IMO the neutron turret is most useful on huge ships, like the Voinian and UE Cruiser. Those are large enough to have maxed neutron turrets, and yet enough space for plenty of secondaries. It is concievable to get away with using them on an Igazra and still have good space left over, but some sacrifice in either SAE's or Dispersal rockets would probably be necessary.
In summary, the neutron turret is by far the best primary weapon out there for those willing to give up the space for it. Although EVO's AI makes terrible use of it, in the hands of the player it can be far more devestating to any opponent than most people give it credit for. Its readily available to anyone who wants it; even if you don't work for the Voinians neutron weaponry is available via Paaren Station once that string is done. All one has to do is realize the potential and take advantage of it.
UEC
Phase turret may be good against armor, but who could say no to cute little Emalghion turrets. Even if they don't swivel all the way around, who cares? All you have to point towards it and shoot, and it usually gets the job done pretty quickly, especially with Voinan ships. However, I usually use 1/2 Emalghion turrets, 1/2 phase turrets. Decisions, decisions.
Phase Turret : 9 votes Blaze Turret : 0 votes Neutron Turret : 1 vote Emalgha Turret : 1 vote
(BTW, I definitely don't agree with the 4/10 rating SD gave it. It deserves at least a 5.5/10)
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(This message has been edited by draco_2488 (edited 05-30-2001).)
I generally find the phase cannon and turret the most versatile and useful.
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Originally posted by UE Crusader: I think we can all agree that the ONLY way to win against armor-based ships with phase weapons is to use the ol' monty python manuever.
No, we can't. I once knocked out a Voinian Cruiser and it's fighters in an Arada with the default 4 phase cannons and no secondary weapons, without monty pythoning.
draco left out UE Crusader's vote for neutrons, so I'll update.
Standings: Phase Turrets: 10 Blaze Turrets: 0 Neutron Turrets: 1 Emalgha Turrets: 1
Since Phase is winning so overwhelmingly, I like SD's idea of a second place vote. I vote for Blaze turrets second. I think the biggest strengths of the phase and blaze are their speed of shot and reload. They both do decent damage, reload quickly, and the shots move quickly, so you can get a lot more hits.
Second place standings: Phase Turrets: 0 Blaze Turrets: 1 Neutron Turrets: 2 Emalgha Turrets: 0
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(This message has been edited by Macavenger (edited 05-30-2001).)
Current Stats Report:
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Phase Turret : 10 votes Blaze Turret : 0 votes Neutron Turret : 1 vote Emalgha Turret : 1 vote
I'm very glad to see that some of the other turrets got some votes. Keep them coming, this information will be useful...
I don't see why ya'll have to hate on Neutrons so much. I try to put neutrons on all my ships. Yes, they're not as good against fighters because of their slowness to lock on, but against larger ships (aradas and up) neutrons pack far too powerful of a blow to ignore.
Some people have been saying that they've defeated super huge heavy armored ships with phase cannons.... well, whoooopdiedoo. We've all done it, but us neutron folks just happen to do it 100x faster
Maybe it's just that I like the big heavily shielded warships, and the neutron turrets just seem to compliment them so well.
Now, the only other disadvantage to the neutron turrets is that they take up so much space. But, be it that my favorite ship is the Igazra, I have enough space for the neutrons along with a good secondary (fighter bay) or extra armor (bronev).
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Finally, an extra vote that wasn't actually placed for phase turrets. Thanks, Flatty.
Phase Turret : 10 votes Blaze Turret : 0 votes Neutron Turret : 2 votes Emalgha Turret : 1 vote
I used to think that blaze turrets were an Override classic...Does anyone here like them?
I do - just not quite as much as phase turrets. You'll note in one of my posts up there, I gave them my official second place vote. I always use them when fighting Voinians.
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Put down another score for the Neutron turret. When I tested neutrons vs phase on my crescent warship against crescent fighters, the neutron generally did the job quicker. Also, their slight lack of accuracy is actually a plus, since when I was playing around with an Igazra I'd be missing the target with most of my phases unless I was pointed directly at my target. The neutron has at least some variance going for it. I must admit if you're in a small ship, phase is better, but if you've got the space, nothing beats the neutrons
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Put another one down for neutron weapons. I'm destroying most of the known galaxy with my Neutron Fighter (a Crescent Fighter with 3 Neutron Cannons and Dospect Armor).
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================================== First Place Votes
Phase Turret: 10 votes Blaze Turret: 0 votes Neutron Turret: 4 votes Emalgha Turret: 1 vote
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A stunning lead for the phase weapons, but with neutron turrets beginning to make a comeback.
Neutron turret leads the Second Place Vote, but blaze turret is threatening that position.
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Captain Skyblade, I just thought that I would add that you're free to quote my description of the weapons on your website. I always thought an EVO website would be best when as well as polls and a brief description it had links to larger descriptions, i.e. your information on the Arada, and then just below it a link saying "SilverDragon's Opinion" and "Flatulence's Opinion". Just an idea.
(This message has been edited by SilverDragon (edited 05-31-2001).)
Phase Turret : 10 votes Blaze Turret : 0 votes Neutron Turret : 4 votes Emalgha Turret : 1 vote
As stated before, phase turrets still in an impressive lead, while the neutrons are making a comeback...
SilverDragon- Sure, I can use your descriptions if you don't mind. I don't know if I would have time to write my own, so I'll be happy if I can use yours. Thanks.
Originally posted by SilverDragon: VoinianAmbassador, in an Arada you want to take up as little space as possible so you can have excellent secondary weapons. Did you manage to fit good secondaries and other mass requiring upgrades on your Voinian Arada?
Nope! It was strictly a heavy fighter. You don't get much room to play with when you've got four neutron cannon crammed in the sharp end. Flying an Arada as a fighter is how some people like to use it, though... hell, there's even a guty on these boards who uses a Lazira as a fighter. The business end of a Voinian Arada probably delivers more bang-per-tonne than any other ship, assuming no secondaries. Add a fuel scoop or two and you can operate behind enemy lines indefinitely... too bad there isn't a pers equipped in this way.
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