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i am working on extending EVO's strand war in a set of new plug-ins, and i would like to poll the board as to which strand i should emphasize first. i have the story lines for all 3 mostly finished, and i am beginning to implement them.
so whom would you like to see first? azdgari, igadzra, or zidagar?
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I'd have to say, whichever one people work for the least often, in order to make that strand more attractive or more exciting.
That's probably the Zidagar. You've got Igazra fans and Azdara fans on this board, but not many people sing the praises of Zidagar hardware. Some will disagree, of course, but judging from the comments I have read in recent months, most people seem to work for the Iggies or the Aggies, so the Ziddies must be in need of a helping hand.
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I fully agree.
The Zidagar is deemed, it seems, as the choice of the newbie. I think your plug could have potential to change this.
Yeah I would say the Zidagar.
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even though I love the Azdgari I would have to agree
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I'd probably agree, but because I like the Zidagar :). Just maybe their story is left a little open-ended compared to the others. I mean they don't get to test out anything new of their own like enhanced ships or plasma siphons; only to see the green Igadzra beam that isn't so exciting. And of course there's the Zidara - if you could give it a bit more help through the plug it would be cool. I mean I had mine with 11.23M trade-in value but it just can't go any higher with the lame amount of space they get :frown:.
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Do the Azdgari first. They are the coolest (purple, red, and yellow are blah) strand, and lots of people seem to like them.
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Originally posted by MartiNZ: **I'd probably agree, but because I like the Zidagar:). Just maybe their story is left a little open-ended compared to the others. I mean they don't get to test out anything new of their own like enhanced ships or plasma siphons; only to see the green Igadzra beam that isn't so exciting. And of course there's the Zidara - if you could give it a bit more help through the plug it would be cool. I mean I had mine with 11.23M trade-in value but it just can't go any higher with the lame amount of space they get :frown:. **
Yeah! Give the zidagar a real warship! Something more beefed up and spacious then the zidara, but still retaining a good deal of speed. The Zidagar have never had a ship whose praises were widely sung.
That's because the Zidagar are too stupid to build a good warship. The Igadzra and Azdgari shall one day crush the Zidagar!
Yes someday they WILL crush the Zidagar. Your right Captain Carnotaur. The Zidagar will fall to Azdgari and Igadzra.
I agree that the Zidagar seem to be the least popular and maybe need a little publicity, but I just can't say that I have an sympaty for this less-liked strand. Igadzra and Azdgari, all the way!!!
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Let's consider what the different strands have at the end of the player missions.
The Zidagar have, well, nothing; the Azdgari have a fleet of invincible Azdaras, and the Igadzra have a major bluff.
It is obvious that the Zidagar need some sort of advantage, so a series of missions to advance their plot would fit perfectly.
(This message has been edited by Blackdog (edited 02-05-2001).)
The Zidagar aren't stupid, they have alot more ships than the Azgari or Igadzra, they use small fast ships to overcome thier enemies.
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Originally posted by Blackdog: **Let's consider what the different strands have at the end of the player missions.
The Zidagar have, well, nothing; the Azdgari have a fleet of invincible Azdaras, and the Igadzra have a major bluff. (This message has been edited by Blackdog (edited 02-05-2001).)**
This is not true. There is the Zidigar ECM, the phased beam, and the Zidigar upgrade. And in terms of fighters. I wouldn't have any other fighter by my side. Granted I'd rather fly a Azdara but the Zidigar fighter has so much power and is still relativly fast.
Additionaly, the Zidigar seem the most likely to form an alliance with someone. Granted in the end they would probably get easily decived after teaming up with the Azdgari to defeat the Iggys (just an example)
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Originally posted by Blackdog:
Let's consider what the different strands have at the end of the player missions. The Zidagar have, well, nothing;
The Zidagar have, well, nothing;
They have the Zidara. They also have Zidagar ECM - the greatest jamming in the galaxy. Granted, Phase Beamers aren't all that great because they eat too much fuel and take up precious weight and cannon/turret slots...
the Azdgari have a fleet of invincible Azdaras,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA um, excuse me...but then again I haven't played much with 1.0.2.
and the Igadzra have a major bluff.
"major bluff"? What's that supposed to mean? Granted, their Igazra is one mean warship, but I've taken out many doing the Zidagar missions in, well, a captured Zidara sheepish.
I for one would like to know more about the secretive ways of the Igadzra.
The Zidagar ECM does really nothing. It seems that homing weapons just jam themselves or get jammed enough by the normal ECM, but overral, the Zidagar ECM isn't that great a weapon.
The Phase Beamer stinks. It takes up tons of fuel, a gun space, and it can't be sold. Thus, that really screws up the Zidara (since once you sell the turrets you can't buy them).
The Zidagar Fighter isn't purchasable, and the Zidara only comes with two. The Azdgari warship, on the other hand, has six Azdaras and a lot more shields than the Zidara does. And besides, who likes purple?
The Enhanced Azdara is invincible, and the Igadzra have the Igazra beam which is pretty good. The Azdgari give you an Experimental Shield Generator, which rocks. The Azdgari also give you the Azdara, which, when outfitted with a shield generator and experimental shield generator as well as a dospect, is invincible and can even take out Council Station and survive.
The Zidagar only take out one Azdgari colony in their missions (Duidir, I think) that isn't even close to them, thus making it so that the Igadzra don't need to consontrate as much forces on the Azdgari, and more on the Zidagar. The Azdgari, however, take out Outpost Terapin, a major Zidagar defense station, thus crippling the Zidagar. I don't know what the Igadzra do. I haven't done all their missions.
The Azdgari are also devious, and the Igadzra are sneaky and decietful. The Igadzra and Azdgari could create an alliance, destroy the Council, then the Igadzra would pretend to join the Zidagar, who are gullible and would easily believe the sneaky and decietful Igadzra. Then, the Igadzra, at the right time, would make major surprise attacks on the Zidagar. At the same time, the Azdgari would also attack the Zidagar and grind them into the dirt. Bwa ha ha ha ha!
The Azdgari and Igadzra shall prevail!
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If the Azgari and Igadzra are so much better than the Zidagar than how come they havn't destroyed them already, and as I said before the Zidagar have more ships than the other strands so they use superior numbers to win battles which is not dumb at all.
(This message has been edited by Titan (edited 02-05-2001).)
Good heavens! Give the Igadzra a decent fighter, only two ship types seem unreasonable. The Azdgari warship would be good if it had some secondary weapons, and the Zidara is just too small. Maybe let the Azdgari have a larger warship, and the Zidagar move up into purplish mod-crescent warships (I know, I know the Zidara IS a mod Crescent warship. I mean a full scale one.) And let all three strands have more "strand-specific" weapons like the Phased Beam and SAE modules.
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Originally posted by Titan: **If the Azgari and Igadzra are so much better than the Zidagar than how come they havn't destroyed them already, and as I said before the Zidagar have more ships than the other strands so they use superior numbers to win battles which is not dumb at all.
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They haven't because the Council hasn't allowed them to do so. Just wait till the Azdgari and Igadzra destroy the Council, then the Zidagar will be destroyed. And who said they had superior numbers? They don't have enough ships to attack an Azdgari colony! They have to send some captured Igadzra Arada which chemical weapons to attack it rather than waste their own ships! The Zidagar are big purple cowards! The Azdgari have swarms, the Zidagar don't. That's one main thing the Azdgari rely on; numbers.
Yes, really. Where did you get the idea about the Zidagar having superior numbers? I suppose it makes sense, since their ships suck, but it never really says (to my knowledge, I could be wrong) that the Zidagar have larger numbers of forces.
Why on earth does everyone seem to believe the zidagar are stupid, weak, and unpowerful? Many of you seem to be considering this from the standpoint of a ship we'd personally like to fly, while we should be considering how the AI uses a stock ship. Most of us hate phased beams and don't care much for fighters, both of which are in pairs on the zidara. But even the most skeptic must admit the phased beam is very powerful, especially when the zidara's fighters are attacking as well. The zidara is no ship I would enjoy romping the galaxy in, but for governments, such factors as fuel, fixed guns, and expandibility are not a factor. Just the stock arrangement. The zidara costs half as much as a Adzgari Warship (a Crescent upgraded), and one-third as much as an Igazra. If you look at how often Adzgari Warships and Igazras go solo (and how often zidaras travel in packs), the effects of this price differentiation are clear. I regularly see more expensive warships fall to some zidaras without being able to take one out themselves. The zidagar are acting shrewedly to gain the upper hand. I just suggested a nice warship so I could be flying around in something zidagar. As for the zidagar being gullible, I've seen no proof of that. Not once have I played one of the strands mission strings and thought the race as missing something obvious, or not acting in the wisest fashion. The zidagar are the most entertaining and likeable of the three strands, and I find their missions more enjoyable because of it.