Ben,

I was thinking, what does the Ice Boss look like anyway? Is it a Giant Today? Who knows? No one, except for Ben. What does he look like?

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"Ice, ice, baby! It looks cold in that cavern! I'd freeze my wings off if I were there. Those snow-covered boulders look scrumptious."- Hector D. Byrd

He don't exist. Check the sprites with ResEdit and you will find no ice boss. However, a very clever level creator named Emperor Ent had an ice boss (that looked very similar to a fire boss 😉 )

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I actually tried to test if the code still existed, but experiments have been inconclusive so far.

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Test?

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I already knew that the Ice Boss didn't exist. I was just thinking if Ben still has him.

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"Ice, ice, baby! It looks cold in that cavern! I'd freeze my wings off if I were there. Those snow-covered boulders look scrumptious."- Hector D. Byrd

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Originally posted by Emperor Ent:
**Test?
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You were talking about making new sprites a while ago. I tried that with a likely ID for the Ice Boss. Nothing happened.

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Hmmmmmm... Then Ben might still have it and he could e-mail it to us...

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"Ice, ice, baby! It looks cold in that cavern! I'd freeze my wings off if I were there. Those snow-covered boulders look scrumptious."- Hector D. Byrd

Uh-huh. and he's also going to carbonize Ferazel's Wand, too. :rolleyes: I don't think an Ice Boss exists, and I don't think ben ever made one. If he did, he would have put it in Ferazel's Wand or in MASCOT.

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Posted by Dr Tall:
However, a very clever level creator named Emperor Ent had an ice boss (that looked very similar to a fire boss )

I can see how there could be an ice boss....and a fire boss...but not both in the same game. You could tint the fire boss to be an ice one but you couldn't have both in the same level set. Or does Emperor Ent have a nice excuse as to why the guardian of the Ice Realm is red and shoots fire balls? 😉

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Originally posted by Dr Tall:
**Or does Emperor Ent have a nice excuse as to why the guardian of the Ice Realm is red and shoots fire balls?;)

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Well, if you look in the sprites file with ResEdit, you can see Ice balls...

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"Ice, ice, baby! It looks cold in that cavern! I'd freeze my wings off if I were there. Those snow-covered boulders look scrumptious."- Hector D. Byrd

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Originally posted by Dr Tall:
**I can see how there could be an ice boss....and a fire boss...but not both in the same game. You could tint the fire boss to be an ice one but you couldn't have both in the same level set. Or does Emperor Ent have a nice excuse as to why the guardian of the Ice Realm is red and shoots fire balls?;)
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His eyes are red. And he does shoot fire balls. Is there are law against that? I don't intend to have fire boss. Therefore, it is fine. And I don't want to make people download sprites, not with Extemporaneous anyway :).

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Visit the (url="http://"http://homepage.mac.com/emudevelopers/ferazel.html")Extemporaneous Website(/url).

So, you guys are implying that Ben originally intended for there to be an ice boss level? If that's true, do we know why there turned out not to be one? Ben?...

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And I don't want to make people download sprites

Well if you don't feel like download sprites, you'd better not play Dr Tall Land. Unless you'd like to explore the world of odd fatal-error messages. 😉

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Originally posted by Simone:
So, you guys are implying that Ben originally intended for there to be an ice boss level? If that's true, do we know why there turned out not to be one? Ben?...

We know that there once was an Ice Boss level because it says so in ResEdit. Just look under the level names in the World Data.

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"Ice, ice, baby! It looks cold in that cavern! I'd freeze my wings off if I were there. Those snow-covered boulders look scrumptious."- Hector D. Byrd

Ben did a few levels of the ice genre during beta. I remember playing through one of them...it wasn't very interesting. By b4 it was pretty obvious what was there was going to be all there was ever going to be.

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Was it named "Ice caverns 3"?

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"Ice, ice, baby! It looks cold in that cavern! I'd freeze my wings off if I were there. Those snow-covered boulders look scrumptious."- Hector D. Byrd

No, there's no ice boss hidden in the game. Originally there was going to be an icy version of the fire demons but then later it seemed like that would be too repetitive, and at that point there wasn't time to do a whole original ice boss. I know it seems unbalanced since every other section of the land has a boss. Oh well. Sorry guys.

-Ben

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Originally posted by Ben S.:
**No, there's no ice boss hidden in the game. Originally there was going to be an icy version of the fire demons but then later it seemed like that would be too repetitive, and at that point there wasn't time to do a whole original ice boss. I know it seems unbalanced since every other section of the land has a boss. Oh well. Sorry guys.

-Ben**

Do you happen to be the real Ben Spees? Seems like the real one would just use his old account rather than post unregistered...

Your IP doesn't suggest a hint of Ben either. Unless Ben moved to California as of late.

If you were registered, I would have karmaslapped you just now for impersonation.

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Originally posted by spamguy:
Do you happen to be the real Ben Spees? Seems like the real one would just use his old account rather than post unregistered...

Ben's old account went boom. He posted here under "Ben S." once or twice before.

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Your IP doesn't suggest a hint of Ben either. Unless Ben moved to California as of late.

According to some MWNY attendee 'diaries', Ben either still lives near NY or went to visit.

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