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Originally posted by EVula: **Thats pretty funny, as I've got more tricks to get stuff to look correctly in IE than in NS. When you're trying to make an all-browsers friendly site, Netscape is the main browser to test in, since it best represents the bottom of the browser food chain.
Just my opinion, though. **
I completely agree.. NS's 4.7x versions were very stable and quite speedy on most machines. It truely is the best browser to use while building a site, because you can't cut corners.
~Iron Eagle
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Originally posted by seant: **Personally, I try and make pages that look good in graphical browsers as well as text based ones.
If I go to a site that I have to turn Java, JavaScript, CSS, or Cookies on for, I tend to leave faster. **
I also like to make sites that are usable in both. That's why I use CSS. It's about 10 billion times easier than using <font> and other such crap. And you shouldn't need to "turn on" CSS; it's not a scripting language or anything.
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I normally test my pages in Netscape 4.x (on Windows, Mac, Linux), Netscape 6.x, IE 3+, OmniWeb, Opera, iCab, Lynx, basically any browser I can get my hands on. After much twiddling, I've decided that all I can assure is that my site is readable in all browsers I've tried; making it look perfectly the way I want it is a task for those with much more time than me. And it's nearly impossible in Lynx ...
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Originally posted by Madman80513: **I though Mozilla was Mozilla. 'Cuz, in making my website, I used Composer for the basic functions. I did the complex stuff with SimpleText (yeah, I know I'm weird. Use simple for complex )When you opened it with SimpleText, it said something like
< **** name="GENERATOR" content="Mozilla/4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) (Netscape)">.**
Okay, this is rather complex, but I'll try to explain.
1. Mozilla is the code-name of Netscape, and is the identifier used internally by Netscape. 2. Mozilla is also the actual name of the open-source version of Netscape that led to Netscape 6. 3. Internet Explorer and most other browsers also identify themselves as Mozilla (compatible) as a throwback to the days when Netscape was industry-standard and some sites provided better content to Netscape users than to anyone else. So, the other browsers impersonated Netscape to let their users get access to all the content as well.
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Originally posted by Madman80513: **I though Mozilla was Mozilla. 'Cuz, in making my website, I used Composer for the basic functions. I did the complex stuff with SimpleText (yeah, I know I'm weird. Use simple for complex ) **
I wouldn't call that weird. Prudent, but not weird. Composer and related graphical HTML editors have an obnoxious habit of writing extremely bloated HTML. I've never looked at the source code of an HTML page generated by one of these programs without removing unnecessary things from it.
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Originally posted by StarStrafer: I wouldn't call that weird. Prudent, but not weird. Composer and related graphical HTML editors have an obnoxious habit of writing extremely bloated HTML.
One of the beauties of BBEdit. Its not WYSIWYG, its STSCAEIAYSF ("See The Source Code And Edit It As You See Fit").
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What? What is wrong with you people?? Why are you not using IE 5??? No, really. Why???
Originally posted by EVula: **One of the beauties of BBEdit. Its not WYSIWYG, its STSCAEIAYSF ("See The Source Code And Edit It As You See Fit").:)
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Hell yes. -david-
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I use both IE 5.x and Netscape 6.1
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Originally posted by EVula: **One of the beauties of BBEdit. Its not WYSIWYG, its STSCAEIAYSF ("See The Source Code And Edit It As You See Fit").:) **
Indeed, that's the only way to go.
Internet Explorer 5.0. I can't stand Netscape...
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Originally posted by Meowx Design: **What? What is wrong with you people?? Why are you not using IE 5??? No, really. Why??? **
Because it crashes if you open it when Entourage is already open, in my case. Now, if it weren't Microsoft, you'd think that's the kind of bug they'd fix over the course of a year...
I personaly use IE 5.0, just because Netscape starts up too slowly, and I don't have a high enough OS to work with the higher level Netscape versions. Also Netscape takes forever to start up Java, whereas IE takes no time at all . . .
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Originally posted by Jak205: **I personaly use IE 5.0, just because Netscape starts up too slowly, and I don't have a high enough OS to work with the higher level Netscape versions. Also Netscape takes forever to start up Java, whereas IE takes no time at all . . . **
Agreed, Outlook Express and Internet Explorer use the same internet libraries, so once one has loaded, the other loads faster.
As for Java, I've yet to see Java used in any way that wasn't obnoxious as hell, and completely useless. Maybe I consider it obnoxious because of Netscape's poor handling of it, but I stand by my useless comment as being cross-browser.
In case you haven't seen my site already (hint hint ;)), go look at the source code and you'll see that the GENERATOR tag's content is "SimpleText." I'm half-considering changing it to XEmacs ...
Originally posted by shayborg: **In case you haven't seen my site already (hint hint;) ), go look at the source code and you'll see that the GENERATOR tag's content is "SimpleText." I'm half-considering changing it to XEmacs ... **
Hehe, I like that, but I still like mine better: <mëta http-equiv="generator" content="Every damn bit of this site was coded by me. WYSIWYG editors can kiss my ass.">
(This message has been edited by EVula (edited 11-09-2001).)
I should add something like that to my basictop.html.inc file, it will update my whole site istananeously
Anyway, I use IE 5.1 as it is fairly decent, its plenty fast, its interface is very good (surprising from microsoft) it can resume downloads most of the time, (other times I have to use wget to resume :)) Though it has some problems with java still, and some secure connections to webservers, but omniweb works fine for the secure connections, and I don't use java sites all that much anyway. As for netscape 4.x, I wouldn't launch classic if you threatened me, and NS 6.x just horribly sucks, its interface is designed by AOL, and includes all their products that you can't get rid of, microsoft may be bad in some ways, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than AOL.
Chamrin
IE 5.0 for me