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What languages and alphabets do all the species in EVO have? In reality, most of them would probably have highly complex languages that we couldn't begin to understand (that's why there are universal translators in Star Trek) However, we could try to figure out what species sound like when they speak. For instance, I imagine the Igadzra and Voinians having a very heavy, powerful, strong voice, and the Zidagar having a smaller more unsure voice. I'm not sure about the Emalgha or Miranu, but I imagine the Azdgari speaking in speaky and fast voices. What do you think?
However, if you were able to translate alien languages, then what kind of alphabets would they have? This question would probably be a lot easier to understand. Since EVO says nothing really about species languages or alphabets, I want to hear your opinions (no flames!). I myself have created by own alphabet for EVO. I know, I know, I made it all up, but I think its pretty good none the less. Here is one link: (url="http://"http://www.carnotaurhq.com/graphics/species_languages.jpg")http://www.carnotaur...s_languages.jpg(/url)
And here is a translation of species names into their respective alphabets:
I think that the Azdgari, Igadzra, and Zidagar all use the 'Strand' alphabet/language. There is also another alphabet/language called 'Crescent' which is used all along the crescent from the North Tip to the South Tip. The 'Miranu' alphabet/language is derived from the 'Crescent' alphabet. Voinian and Emalgha are two other totally separate alphabet/language, and we already know about ours.
Post all your questions and comments about this subject here.
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I would think that the Miranu and Zacha had the same language since they basically are the same race (I believe).
The strands really shouldn't have the same language since they don't tend to contact each other often. They might have an ancient language (when they all belonged to the Gadzair) that they still might use but I think they would all have different modern languages that were more commen in their goverment.
The Emalgaha and Voinian languages should look and sound the same but still be a little different.
I like the idea of a 'Crescent' language that would be used as a 'universal' language for those living in the Crescent.
One question though: Where did you make (or find) those fonts?
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Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: I would think that the Miranu and Zacha had the same language since they basically are the same race (I believe).
They are, sort of. The Zacha are funded and were created by the Miranu, but they are composed of many many different races. The Zacha, in my opinion, use both Crescent, Miranu, and probably some strand.
Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: The strands really shouldn't have the same language since they don't tend to contact each other often. They might have an ancient language (when they all belonged to the Gadzair) that they still might use but I think they would all have different modern languages that were more commen in their goverment.
Well, they all have different dialects of the strand language, and ever so slightly different versions of the strand alphabet. However, in my opinion, they all still use the overal same language.
Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: The Emalgaha and Voinian languages should look and sound the same but still be a little different.
The two aren't related at all, and thus shouldn't have the same alphabet. However, maybe I might change the Emalghan alphabit a bit.
Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: I like the idea of a 'Crescent' language that would be used as a 'universal' language for those living in the Crescent.
Thank you very much. I like it when I get positive replies to stuff like this. Crescent is really just branched off from 'Strand' over a millennia ago (at least that's what I think), however, it was so long ago it is now totally different. Strandless refugees use it alot and historians think that they helped create the alphabet.
Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: **One question though: Where did you make (or find) those fonts? **
I made them, all by myself. It took a long time making them, and it was tedious work trying to make the names part.
I'm hoping to make another PICT which shows in my opinion how different languages are interlinked, how certain languages branched off from others, and differnet dialects.
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For one, why are you assuming that for every human letter in a races name, there is a letter for that race? For instance, one letter in Japanese or Chinese can mean a whole word all by itself. But they do look good. ------------------ (url="http://"http://pub29.ezboard.com/b20")Don't click here.(/url) Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives? The Person who misspells "Voinian" knows not of the 50 gigaton nuke coming at their cranium.
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Since the Zacha are funded by the Miranu, they should speak Miranu, right? Except that it is composed of many different races (possibly even a few Voinies in there, as well), so my view is as follows: the language could very well be a mixed language, deriving from all languages of those enlisted. An earth-side example of this is already present: Western traders used a form of mixed English/Chinese/Japanese language to communicate with Asians. This language was called Pidgin. Oh well. There ya go.
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Actually, my view is that the Zacha use several different languages (strand, miranu, and crescent).
And Lone, yes, that is what I am assuming. I don't have the time to create a whole new language, just an alphabet. An alphabet is different from a language, I think...
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I'm pretty sure that the Emalgha would speak Voinian- they were slaves of the voinians for a long time, remember? the hinwar too....
I'm pretty sure that the strands would speak a mix between their language and miranu, because they trade a lot.
Same way with strandless- they should speak some english, because the human renegades are so close to part of the strandless...
also, one more thing, the zidigar would not have an unsure voice, they are powerful- i would think that the Zidigar would have a normal sounding language, and the Voinians having a really wierd deep language....
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Hmmm... You might have a point there about the Emalgha, but I still don't think their alphabet would be affected.
I'm also not trying to say what languages each species speak, Red, I'm just saying what their alphabets are like.
And, as promised, I have created my own version of the history of all these aliens languages:
First, the Voinian language. In my mind I think that the Voinian language has one primary dialect and alphabet, Voinia. However, over the years as the Voinians have defeated their enemies and conquered new races, several new dialects have evolved from the Voinia dialect. There is Tientu, used on the planet of Tientu, home to a peaceful alien race of farmers. There is also the Denlon dialect used by Voinians from Denlon in the Fridion system. There is also the Dur and Ala dialects, used by the people of Dur and Ala.
Second, the Emalgha language has, over the years, separated into three different dialects; Emalghia, Lmeito, and Gurado. Emalghia, used on the Emalghan homeworld, is the most common and the original dialect. Lmeito is mainly used on the moon of Lmeito, and is also the least common and most unusal of the three dialects. Gurado is a widespread dialect used on the military base of Guardo. It is spread by the military who go throughout Emalgha territory. Kelmoan has it's own dialect, but it is almost identicle to Emalghia.
Finally, the strand language. At first, several millennia ago, the Old Strand language, originating from Gadzair and sometimes even called Gadzair, was used by the Gadzair people in their early stages. As the Gadzair people neared the point at which they would break up into the strands (Azdgari, Zidagar, Igadzra), the New Strand Language (sometimes called 'Modern' strand) evolved and is still in use today. The first strand to break up and the main strand, the Azdgari, were trusted most by the Council (the fourth strand which controls the other strands to a point), and thus was given maintaining duties on Crescent Station. The Azdgari dialect came first, and then sprouted into Zidagar and Igadzra as well (the Igadzra and Zidagar split up later). Thus, the Strand Language/alphabet, has three different dialects; Azdgari, Igadzra, and Zidagar. Unlike the dialects of the Voinians and Emalgha, the strand dialects and more different.
The Crescent language was an offshoot of the Modern Strand language/alphabet. It's origination is still unknown, but most historians believe that strandless refugees had some part in it. However, whatever its origin, the crescent languages, which is easy to understand and learn, was being used throughout the entire crescent. It is sort of the 'Crescent Standard Language'.
Well, that's my opinion and point of view. What does everyone else think?
And where might humans fit into this? Or that race where South Tip Station is?
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It looks nice, but i wonder, maybe are we taking EV/EVO a bit to seriously. Like with those pictures the psykologists show you and you have to say what you think they looks like. I mean we would all go, wow thats a dreadnaugh, and that thing there looks like an old voinian, and for sure this is neutron cannons crushing something like a scoutship, whatever. As long as we are having fun i guess it´s allright
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That's impressive work, Carnotaur. I especially like your idea of different Voinian dialects and how you made the Emalgha alphabet have fewer letters than the English alphabet. 26 letters would by no means be a galactic standard.
Originally posted by forge: **And where might humans fit into this? Or that race where South Tip Station is? **
That would be the Kayans. And since Red Horizon started, I've become somewhat of an expert on them. In EVO, it says that they were originally a seperate, somewhat primitive race that lived on Kayia when the Strandless first came to the South Tip. Since then, the two races intermingled and eventually became almost indistinguishable. Since the Kayans have such close ties to the Strandless, they would probably share their language. And the Strandless would most likely use a variant of the standard Crescent language.
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Quite interesting. I love linguistics. Have you studied (human) historical linguistics? It's fascinating, very difficult, and from what I've seen here, I think you would love it. Jude
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I think you listed miran twice, and the Zatchit could be slightly different, becuase thier not only compised of Miran, Strandless, and strands, but Gererer is from beyond the crecent, so they could be composed of any number of races. And who says there aren't any Voinians in the Zatchit? They could have left the Voinian Empire, who technically aren't enemies of the Miran.
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Carnotuar, very nice and interesting. I think the Emalgaha should have a language that also is party Voinian part Emalgaha since they were captives for the Voinians for a long time.
Humans don't fit in. I'm only doing work on Alien languages, not human. As for that race near South Tip Station (Kayians), I think they would probably use a variation of the crescent language.
Originally posted by Thunder: That's impressive work, Carnotaur. I especially like your idea of different Voinian dialects and how you made the Emalgha alphabet have fewer letters than the English alphabet. 26 letters would by no means be a galactic standard.
Thank you. The Emalgha alphabet is rather simple compared to other languages, and, like the crescent language, is easy to learn and understand because of its simplicity. Thanks again for the compliment. I never thought I'd get this much praise.
Originally posted by Thunder: **That would be the Kayans. And since Red Horizon started, I've become somewhat of an expert on them.:D In EVO, it says that they were originally a seperate, somewhat primitive race that lived on Kayia when the Strandless first came to the South Tip. Since then, the two races intermingled and eventually became almost indistinguishable. Since the Kayans have such close ties to the Strandless, they would probably share their language. And the Strandless would most likely use a variant of the standard Crescent language. **
Hmmmm.... They may have their own language. I'll look into it. And yes, I also think they would use a variant of the crescent language.
Originally posted by Jude: **Quite interesting. I love linguistics. Have you studied (human) historical linguistics? It's fascinating, very difficult, and from what I've seen here, I think you would love it. Jude **
No, not yet. Maybe I will study linguistics, but I'm not sure. I'm really more into anything that has to do with engineering or computer stuff. But, maybe, who knows.
Originally posted by VoinianDefector: **I think you listed miran twice, and the Zatchit could be slightly different, becuase thier not only compised of Miran, Strandless, and strands, but Gererer is from beyond the crecent, so they could be composed of any number of races. And who says there aren't any Voinians in the Zatchit? They could have left the Voinian Empire, who technically aren't enemies of the Miran. **
Yes, I did mention Miranu twice. Because remember, as I said, the Miranu language is really just a slightly modified version of crescent. Although there WAS an Old Miran language (haven't worked it into the history PICT yet), that language/alphabet is no longer in use, replaced by the New Miranu language which is an adaption of crescent.
And no, there isn't any Gererer, there's the Izgari (you see them in a plug that'll use these alphabets, it isn't out yet). However, I do not think that the Zacha would use a totally different language. I just think that they use a lot of different languages. And I also didn't say there weren't any Voinians, I just didn't mention them.
Originally posted by Bubaganoosh: **Carnotuar, very nice and interesting. I think the Emalgaha should have a language that also is party Voinian part Emalgaha since they were captives for the Voinians for a long time. **
IMHO, I really don't think so. I agree that the Emalgha and Hinwar would speak Voinian, but I don't think their alphabet was changed. However, I just got an idea for what you said, which I'll show you later.
Once again, thank you for all the good comments and praises!
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Have you made any fonts with these languages?
Originally posted by USS Bristol: **Have you made any fonts with these languages? **
We havn't figured out how do that yet.
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I'm hoping to create totally new fonts for all these languages, however, it'll be very hard and take up a LOT of time. And right now, I'm WAAAAAY to busy already. However, I will eventually try to make fonts for all these new languages.
I think there should be a language for the renegades. Something slurry and gutteral. Or maybe a universal trade language so everyone can talk trade, or something.