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There have been tons of posts with suggestions for EV3, most of them have been asking a little much. But lisen to this!
Ambrosia's first 3-D game, Ragnarok (it means "end of the world in Norse, ya know), is ... well 3-D. With this 3-D engine i think that ambrosia could actually make a EV 3-D. Its not a sugestion for ev3, i know, but this is.
I think that with the new ev engine all systems should have a star, and you should take more damage the closer you fly towards it. Also, planets and stars should have a gravitational pull, it would make the game more challangeing, i think.
i also have 2 new weapon designs, the first is an EMP, which should eat away at shields, but do no damage to armor. The second should be an autocannon, an ammo weapon with an EXTREMELY high damage rating, but mostly to armor.
These are my sugestions, tell me what you think. post your own if you want.
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personally, I think EV-3D would suck. There would be just too much information for our puny human minds to process. Can you imagine what a 3d battle with a voinian dreadnaught, 4 v. cruisers, 4 v frigate + all the damn v fighters/interceptors that come out would be like? Knowing what is going on would fry your brain.
Anyway.... I think new weapons are needed. An emp would be good, but it'd have to be to an extreme... like maybe it'd totally disable all of your shields, along with anyone else caught in the blast radius.... that would also make heavy-armor ships popular again....
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Maybe it have slipped your mind, "vice admiral Jon" that Ragnarok will be fully editable so you can develop your own weapons, ships, landscapes, tracks etc. I reckon with Flatulence, EV 3D would suck. If you so desperately want EV3 to change its good potential to just another spaceship-simulator, piss off and play X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, Descent: Freespace or something else....
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Originally posted by Vice Admiral Jon: **Ambrosia's first 3-D game, Ragnarok **
Wow, I guess that means that Avara was the zeroth 3D game, eh?
mcb
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Eirik, u are an ass, why dont you BACK off. He was just stating an opinion of his, and its actually not a bad idea. X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter is a good game, and if you could make Escape Velocity 3-D it would be great.
THink about it for a second, what do many of those games you mentioned in your little hissy fit all lack. 1.) A decent, well thought out plot 2.) An enviornment than contains all the EV elements
Does Descent have a bar, and multiple levels on which you can land, go to a bar, bet, get missions, buy ships and weapons?
Not in MY DESCENT, or does your Descent differ from everyone elses? If so, can i get a copy?
EV 3-D would be a nightmare to create, there is no doubt about that. NO ONE SAID IT WOULD BE SIMPLE OR EASY TO DO. Avara however was 3-D, so why not make EV 3D as well, huh?
OR DID WE FORGET THAT AVARA HAD 3D GRAPHICS!!!!!!!!!!!
If EV was 3D, it would be amazing. 3D space battles in real-time, different parts of planets to land on containing different things, like a bar on one side, the spaceport shipyards on the other. Why would this be bad??? Because you prefer a flat top view to a total enviornment with different factors.
Why dont you get a freaking imagination. EV 3D would be a great game, 20 times better than EV, but I don't know anything about C++ programming.
The task however seems like it would be an extremely difficult one. I don't doubt that Ambrosia could do it, I just doubt whether or not they want too.
Why do people always look at 3D EV as such a crappy idea. I would buy it, I would play it, I would enjoy it, and I would post about it.
Do we always have to shut down people who have ideas, just because WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE IDEA'S A REALITY??????????
Frankly, Vice Admiral Jon, your idea's are good, at least you seem to have an imagination, which is more than i can say for the other people around here.
So, I say keep throwing your ideas out, its a message board after all. If people don't like your ideas, you ain't forcing them to read them, your not acting like a Big Brother from 1984. Albert Einstein once had a quote about great minds being held back, but I won't bother to quote him incorrectly, and lesten the power behind his words.
And for everyone else, who thinks that his ideas are crap, why don't you try to come up with some thoughts of your own, and see how you feel when someone else, on a whim of stupidity, desides to shut off your idea, using only the brute force of their tongue. True, i need to spell correctly, but my use of the venacular is not my driving force behind MY ARGUMENT.
I HAVE AN IMAGINATION. I HAVE AN OPEN MIND.
is it so hard for you to have one too?
don't bother to reply calling me a fool, i haven't said anything you already know. You screwed up, you stepped out on a limb, and it broke. EV 3D MAY be an impossobility, but should we stop people from dreaming about it?
When we do that, we become Big Brother, we BECOME 1984, we become everything we as humans claim to stand against.
Oh, and on another note, an EMP would be a good weapon against those damn UE Cruisers!
everyone has an opinion... You are just making too much of it... Anyway, those 3D fps perspectives make me feel claustrophobic.
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I would like EV3-D, It would be cool, it would be...Wing Commander III/IV, COOL! Does people always have to say it was a stupid idea, just becouse they didn´t like it, say so don´t say it was stupid. I think it was good of you, who you ever might be, to tell us that we shoud respict(spitt when you say it) others ideas. Thanks, many here needed that. Cya.
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Originally posted by Flatulence: **personally, I think EV-3D would suck. There would be just too much information for our puny human minds to process. Can you imagine what a 3d battle with a voinian dreadnaught, 4 v. cruisers, 4 v frigate + all the damn v fighters/interceptors that come out would be like? Knowing what is going on would fry your brain. **
Actually, it would be like that one game, "I can't remember what it's called". It's for the PC, I played it once, and it kicked a lot of ass. It wasn't EV-like, but that battle you just described reminded me of it. It was a Decent game; and not Decent, Decent II or Decent 3. -david-
Oooh, ooh, I just read that exceptionally rude message by Eirik - that's it, it's Decent:Freespace. And it's just for PC, right? Or can I get it for my G4 to eat??? -david-
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(This message has been edited by Meowx Design (edited 08-23-2000).)
At the moment Ambrosia aren't interested (or so they say) in making 3D EV, however there is an independant project trying to make a 3D ev, can't remember whos running it though, it's based on the old exo-battle engine I think.
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I think that throwing in not only a 3D element but also a kind of RPG element would rock; but only for EV4. What I mean about the RPG element is that instead of just landing on a planet, you could go in, fly around, explore a little bit. Also, the pilot wouldn't be a (for lack of better word) thing with a legal status and a combat rating. Jeez, if the pilot could have a face, a background, even just a bio containing random facts would be cool.
The problem with a 3D element, just as Flatulence stated, there would be maybe too much to think about, with all of the little fighters zooming around. The 3D part could exist on the planets. Another solution is to create a special 2D battle view. This could be engaged by hailing your victim, and then declaring war. That would solve the annoying problem of sitting in your Arada and accidentally shooting an Igazra. Weapons would be disabled until you declare war on someone else.
The EMP weapon idea is awesome. The thing concerning the supercannon would make the Voinians too powerful, I think.
btw, Eirik is way out of line with his choice comments.
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(This message has been edited by Iron Fist (edited 08-23-2000).)
Originally posted by Meowx Design: Actually, it would be like that one game, "I can't remember what it's called". It's for the PC, I played it once, and it kicked a lot of ass. It wasn't EV-like, but that battle you just described reminded me of it. It was a Decent game; and not Decent, Decent II or Decent 3.
Freespace?
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Sick Of Complaints: 1. I never said that X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter is ****. I love that game, I purchased X- Wing collectors and Tie- collectors before it and I still play it on my pc. I just say that if you need to play a 3D game, go and play that! Ha, so shut your face woman!
2. Your "land on planet" theory would suck because you then would use hours just to get to the right place on the planet and to make it realistic, you would need to have 1000's of spaceports on 1 planet to make it realistic. If eg. Earth had 2 spaceports, would that have been realistic? It would simply suck. Ha, so shut your face woman!
3. I have my opinions, Vice Admiral Jon have his opinions and you have your opinions. Which one that sucks? I'll leave that question to the rest of the people here to answer.
4. What the **** is the point about making a dream about something that will never happen/exist anyway! That's like we did in kindergarden, told our friends that we wanted to fly so we could sit on the top of the trees. You're a grownup, alright, and you need to develop. Ha, so shut your face woman!
5. So you're telling me that taking a realistic stand is keeping your brains from seeing the truth. Oh, well, I will not stand in the way, go and imagine so much you want. Have it fun!
6. I would buy EV 3D if it was made but it never will! Realise it, it will never be made. You can dream so much you want of flying whales and that dogs raining but will it happen? NO! Ha, so shut your face woman!
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(This message has been edited by Soviet mikee (edited 08-24-2000).)
Originally posted by --Eirik--: **Sick Of Complaints:
Reply this and tell me what you dream of besides naked woman and EV 3D! That will be fun! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH! **
I know of a small group of people who might disagree with you.
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Originally posted by CelticStarbase: **At the moment Ambrosia aren't interested (or so they say) in making 3D EV, however there is an independant project trying to make a 3D ev, can't remember whos running it though, it's based on the old exo-battle engine I think.
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I can't imagine anything that would suck more than EV3D, to be honest. Some games gain something by being 3D first person, other games lose something. EV is one of those games that would lose something, IMHO.
If the game were reworked, it might be OK -- if a good OpenGL 3D engine was used for 3D overhead views of the game, that might be OK too (depending on how it was done).
If you want an EV-like game in 3D, play Terminus -- it seems to be a fairly well-done game. Perhaps Soviet Mikee et al can prove me wrong by making a cool EV-like 3D game; who knows.
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(This message has been edited by andrew (edited 08-24-2000).)
It's not a question on how much it would suck, it is more of a question on how much it would damage the game play. In order to make a good 3-D game you would have to look at something straight on, thus making EV a Wing Commander like game, but not because you woulden't have any missions.
It would be nice though if you could hail a pirate or someone and they would bring up a box of illegal stuff to buy.
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Originally posted by mburch: **Wow, I guess that means that Avara was the zeroth 3D game, eh?
Oops, sorry. i totally forgot about Avara, its sitting way back in some seculded place on my hard drive, i never play it. i feel like a dumbass now.
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(This message has been edited by Chamrin (edited 08-27-2000).)
Originally posted by Vice Admiral Jon: **Oops, sorry. i totally forgot about Avara, its sitting way back in some seculded place on my hard drive, i never play it. i feel like a dumbass now.
matt has that effect on people
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